Anybody here change political stance?

[Leagon]

With race comes a list of other factors, namely language and customs. Italians and Portuguese, no matter what their ancestries have in common, will naturally stick together if given the option. It's human nature.

Well, I was asking because you said that there are racially segregated communities in Toronto, and listed Italian and Portugese, as if they are different races.

But now you're confusing me together. Italians and Portuguese will naturally stick together "if given the option"? Why? Because they are the same race or because of other political stuff?

In my experience, when race is not an option, people find other shared factors. It's why assimilation was crucial for immigrants where I grew up, because if you didn't adopt our (Canadian) culture, you were not going to fit in.

I agree. I don't think race is the primary unifier, especially in multicultural societies. But it wasn't even my point to assert that, I just wanted some proof or logic from him on his position.

 

[lecter]

I feel like that describes this subforum more generally over the past 1-2 years.

Well, yeah kind of, I'm somebody who's actually significantly less triggered by the alt-right than most people, I read their 'intellectual work' outside of sherdog, I have some good conversations with Blackend from time to time, and as long as a political movement doesn't advocate physical aggression, I don't see a reason to shut down the conversation. I simply don't agree with their core principle, the incontrovertible, unalterable significance of heritage and racial grouping concepts. But philosophically, I don't subscribe to most forms of egalitarianism and independent from that I think we can observe how people in the US have developed different (sub)cultures along racial lines. So naturally, I'm less offended by some alt-right statements than somebody who wants a government to enforce all sorts of equalization and says the only difference between blacks and whites today stems from systemic racism.

But lately, the alt-right as a whole is becoming more and more annoying. The comparison to SJWs appears more and more appropriate with every new alt-right post. While people like the TS are consistently complaining about how you can't have an honest discussion, how people allegedly refuse to even consider certain factors when discussing socioeconomic developments etc, they engage in the exact same behavior.
They start with different premises but then cherry pick statistics, studies and influences they want to discuss in order to justify those preformed theses. If a country does relatively well, looking at a snapshot of their economy in the current year, it's because they're white. That the same country went through various phases, experienced expansions and recessions, was a de facto 3rd world shithole as well as one of the wealthier countries in the world all within ~100 years while being equally white and without any major waves of immigration is ignored.
That you find a correlation between phases of this country's growth curve and changes in its economic policies but none between those phases and a change in demographics is ignored. "No stupid cuckservative, nobody cares about free markets it's all about race".

They also fail to recognize how close they are to the ideas and moral concepts of the most left-wing, SJW-like Bernie Bros. As a conservative/libertarian I'm used to arguing with lefties why I think they're not born with a positive right to this or that, which has to be provided by other members of our society who are currently alive. Now, right-wingers claim to be born with a positive right to something their ancestors achieved..... great advancement...
Add some unfounded criticisms of capitalism, the upper class, big businesses, and international trade, the advocacy of welfare rights etc and you have the perfect 'lefty' plus some racism.

 

[dontsnitch]

Well, I was asking because you said that there are racially segregated communities in Toronto, and listed Italian and Portugese, as if they are different races.

But now you're confusing me together. Italians and Portuguese will naturally stick together "if given the option"? Why? Because they are the same race or because of other political stuff?



I agree. I don't think race is the primary unifier, especially in multicultural societies. But it wasn't even my point to assert that, I just wanted some proof or logic from him on his position.

I meant that Italians will stick with Italians, and Portuguese with Portuguese. Both of these groups are generally very patriotic.

 

[Wadtucket]

 

[nostradumbass]

I'm not protesting a person who decides to make a career out of the military. It is a good profession if you understand the risks that comes with it. I was talking more about our level of spending for it. I want a balanced budget and if I were to be given the options of how to get there, a decent piece of it would be with the military.

I think my view may have changed on this before I entered the WR though. I don't think much of my ideology has changed more than my perspective on whether specific policies do compliment it or not. For instance, I think if we are going to have a insurance involved healthcare system, a mandate/fine is a conservative idea. You prevent people from using a system that haven't paid into it at all. I would say the party that claims to be conservative doesn't command my thoughts on a policy like that example because I know the party is going to grandstand/BS whatever the other party proposes.

I suppose it depends on where the spending actually goes. There is no doubt quite a bit frivolity in weapons spending, but if salaries and benefits for teachers and military personnel were increased, I would not object.

 

[Lead]

I suppose it depends on where the spending actually goes. There is no doubt quite a bit frivolity in weapons spending, but if salaries and benefits for teachers and military personnel were increased, I would not object.

Part of my reason for cuts is exactly that. I think politicians don't truly factor in the cost of war and decide to shit on those affected the worst from it on the back end. I think we should avoid as many American causalities as possible when considering conflicts. Even when the war ends (which in this day and age seems to be never), the soldiers fucked up from it keep that for their lives and Washington seems to care far less with the VA at that time. I don't think politicians are responsible enough to take responsibility for the conflicts they send us into. There need to be more measures that involve Congress and the president doing so. We voted once at this point on all the activity we've had on the middle east since 9/11? I tend to think the parties silently agree to continue these things while the general public hasn't been for it for some time if you take out the 9/11 effect (Bush first term was on humble foreign policy, Obama ran on faster troop withdrawal than Clinton and then won in the GE on scaling down the war, Trump ran on getting out of pointless conflicts that don't benefit us.)

 

[moneyfight]

They also fail to recognize how close they are to the ideas and moral concepts of the most left-wing, SJW-like Bernie Bros. As a conservative/libertarian I'm used to arguing with lefties why I think they're not born with a positive right to this or that, which has to be provided by other members of our society who are currently alive. Now, right-wingers claim to be born with a positive right to something their ancestors achieved..... great advancement...
Add some unfounded criticisms of capitalism, the upper class, big businesses, and international trade, the advocacy of welfare rights etc and you have the perfect 'lefty' plus some racism.

The Alt-Right was founded on the concept of being against the GOP, Cuckservatism and the Iraq War. So some of what you say about it being left wing is true. Just look at where all the main people involved in the Alt-Right were at politically 10 years ago. The TRS goyim like (Mike Enoch) were mostly Ron Paul supporters. Richard Spencer realized the GOP didn't serve the best interest of European Americans. Anglin from Daily Stormer was posting on David Icke forum. Red Ice Radio was doing shows about spirituality, mysticism and conspiracy theories. It was the liberals under Obama that made everything about identity politics so Trump came along as white peoples response to the lefts racial politics. The BLM riots sealed the deal then Bannon broke the switch and now the Alt-Right is the new GOP whether conservatives like it or not so the future of America will be about race.

 

[ManCityFC9]

Personally I don't see it as "extreme". Let me explain:

If racist merely means wanting to leave a future for your children, sure count me in. The fact is, minority groups form special interest groups that act on their behalf and it's on record (supreme court case from civil rights era) that forces integration on white people and essentially bans white advocacy/interest groups. Black communities=Ok. Asian communities=Ok. White communities=racism. The fact that it's going on in all white majority countries is going to trigger some survival instincts, after all... we wuz vikangz.

White people (which is just a collection of various Caucasian ethnicities) are 10% of the global population and declining. Break that down to ethnicities like Irish or German and we are around 2 or 3%, and declining.

Combine that with the fact that I was born in a 88% white country, is projected to be 45% white country by 2060.

Combine that with "steal land from white people" in South Africa and various BLM people calling for the same thing here in the U.S.

Then, look at it through the lens of race and realize "oh shit. It's genocide, orchestrated by international bankers and communists, Hitler was right... it really is the Jews pushing this through Hollywood, MSM etc"... yeah, quite the red pill. 48% of U.S. billionaires are Jewish, own all the big press (throw facebook in there) and Hollywood, vastly overrepresented in banking... and push ideologies like Race mixing and white guilt (despite being the first countries to ban slavery... the African elite kept doing it because it kept making them money). It's always been the Jews that pushed it (#notall, only the elite), black nationalism was the popular civil rights activists before the media started promoting King over Malcom X and Carnegie (spelling?). Human biodiversity in proximity=war, always has and always will... and there will always be inequality because of that.

No other political ideology can hold. National Socialism must spread if we wish to survive... and along with that, so will anti-semitism. And I mean real anti-semitism, not that bullshit that's passed off today as antisemitic. I mean, someone has to talk about Jewish privledge. Whether this is intentional or not is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the presence of media as it exists is toxic to my people and my culture. There must be a movement to eradicate it or we will face extinction. This can be done rather peacefully, but only if everyone (including banker elites and the MSM) is willing to speak honestly about what is going on and work toward a solution with us rather than against us.

Very Interesting;
Why do you think the Caucasian birth rates have gone down?

-I've tried looking at obesity trends, education trends, interracial marriage trends, and some others but have not found much correlation with this birthrate decline and death-rate increase.
--Seems in all of these trends Caucasians are at least risk for obesity, still 2nd(behind asians) in education rates, and both females and males inter-racially marry at 7%(the lowest among the races)
-Unmarried; blacks and hispanics lead this category
-Unemployed; black and hispanics lead this category
-LBGT - Caucasians are the least likely race to identify within this group

Possible reasons:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ics-amidst-soaring-Caucasian-death-rates.html

-Death rate higher than birthrates in 1/3 of US States(17 to be exact) for middle-aged Caucasians
--Some reasons includes drugs, alcohol poisoning, and suicides
---Though Caucasians in all regions have increased death rates, the largest surge was within Caucasians that were lower educated
-The aforementioned article also denotes how the importation of Chinese goods and the exportation of jobs(esp. textiles, manufacturing), though Asians/blacks/Latinos death rates in rural areas have declined

Whites usage of prescription/psychiatric drugs to treat mental health (14.5%), Blacks (6.5%), Hispanic(5.7%), Asians(3.1%)
-Whites do us prescription drugs in general 10%+ than each of the other races
--Though depression rates are 12.8 for AAs, 11.9 for Hispanics, and 7.9 for whites

Heroin use increased by 114% for whites but stayed the same for the other races.(from '03-'14)

Alcohol usage is highest among whites (~60%), AAs(~40%), Asians(<40%), Hispanics(~40%)

Seems prescriptions drugs, and alcohol usage are problems; they are likely related to death rates, but still unsure about the birth rate issues
-Though financial states were mentioned, especially after the Great Recession

Hate to flood you with info, but curious on your opinion as to the lower birth rates?

 

[panamaican]

Add some unfounded criticisms of capitalism, the upper class, big businesses, and international trade, the advocacy of welfare rights etc and you have the perfect 'lefty' plus some racism.

I think that's the most profound thing I've read all day. The perfect "lefty" plus some racism.

It perfectly sums up a big chunk of my complaints as well. The same government protectionism against the free market, belief in social entitlements, etc. but with an additional "race" motivator.

 

[irollnaked]

I flip flopped between both but now I side with Nihilism.

 

[Blackened]

Very Interesting;
Why do you think the Caucasian birth rates have gone down?

-I've tried looking at obesity trends, education trends, interracial marriage trends, and some others but have not found much correlation with this birthrate decline and death-rate increase.
--Seems in all of these trends Caucasians are at least risk for obesity, still 2nd(behind asians) in education rates, and both females and males inter-racially marry at 7%(the lowest among the races)
-Unmarried; blacks and hispanics lead this category
-Unemployed; black and hispanics lead this category
-LBGT - Caucasians are the least likely race to identify within this group

Possible reasons:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ics-amidst-soaring-Caucasian-death-rates.html

-Death rate higher than birthrates in 1/3 of US States(17 to be exact) for middle-aged Caucasians
--Some reasons includes drugs, alcohol poisoning, and suicides
---Though Caucasians in all regions have increased death rates, the largest surge was within Caucasians that were lower educated
-The aforementioned article also denotes how the importation of Chinese goods and the exportation of jobs(esp. textiles, manufacturing), though Asians/blacks/Latinos death rates in rural areas have declined

Whites usage of prescription/psychiatric drugs to treat mental health (14.5%), Blacks (6.5%), Hispanic(5.7%), Asians(3.1%)
-Whites do us prescription drugs in general 10%+ than each of the other races
--Though depression rates are 12.8 for AAs, 11.9 for Hispanics, and 7.9 for whites

Heroin use increased by 114% for whites but stayed the same for the other races.(from '03-'14)

Alcohol usage is highest among whites (~60%), AAs(~40%), Asians(<40%), Hispanics(~40%)

Seems prescriptions drugs, and alcohol usage are problems; they are likely related to death rates, but still unsure about the birth rate issues
-Though financial states were mentioned, especially after the Great Recession

Hate to flood you with info, but curious on your opinion as to the lower birth rates?

I'm very busy right now, but send me a PM and I'll get back to you with an in depth reply later tonight.

There are several answers, but the big ones haven't been mentioned yet. I'll detail them in the message

 

[lecter]

The TRS goyim like (Mike Enoch)

> goyim
> Mike Enoch

now the Alt-Right is the new GOP

In America's legislative, the alt-right is virtually irrelevant. Banonn might agree to some of your views, consciously or not, idk. So you have some influence on the president and his EOs. The only action he's taken so far which comes even remotely close to your interests is a travel ban based on nation states which was blocked by a court twice. The wall won't stop legal immigration and you now that. Apart from that, he has a ton of Jewish bankers in his administration, listens to an Orthodox Jew as a close advisor, praises our greatest ally and I'm pretty sure he's not a 'race realist'. I fail to see how somebody with your views thinks Trump absolutely is your guy or that you have actual political influence. I get 'the lesser of two evils', that is certainly true, that's equally true for me though. But his presidency making the alt-right the new GOP?

whether conservatives like it or not so the future of America will be about race.

Based on Richard Spencer's 50k Twitter followers?
But let's assume that's accurate. I questioned the truth of your core beliefs, the efficiency of race realism and white ethno-states, not your success. So within our debate that doesn't really address anything I've written.

 

[Blackened]

WW2 could have been avoided and 50 million people didn't need to die for nothing in that war but it is what it is i guess. Sad!

How they covered up his peace negotiations in my History class was a total black pill.

 

[luckyshot]

My timeline:

Liberal (until 2008)-->Conservative/Classical Liberal/Libertarian(2008-2016)-->National Socialist (2017-Present)

Though I still retained some liberal tendencies that didn't fully die until around 2010

Let me explain why Nazism is not a good plan for America.

Three reasons:
1. In case you haven't noticed, it didn't work in Germany. (Unless Hitler's secret plan was to decimate the German population. And his suicide was actually a victory celebration.) It's truly amazing how often this simple fact gets lost.

2. How, exactly, is a worldview based on ethnic purity supposed to function in a society that has NEVER had ethnic homogeneity? At least is Germany, Nazism was tenable from a purely logical point of view. American Nazism is a virtual non-sequitor. We are a land of mutts and mongrols.

3. We have HUGE minority populations relative to 1930's Germany. In other words, the ship has fucking sailed a long time ago. (Oh, yeah, and that ship was a slave ship, so whites are not exactly innocent victims in this equation.)

 

[luckyshot]

Double

 

[moneyfight]

I'm pretty sure he's not a 'race realist'.

Trump tweeted this, and has a long history of similar tweets also.

http://thehill.com/homenews/preside...takes-heat-for-tweet-about-black-murder-rates

Now as for your point about about the GOP in regards to the Alt-Right. The GOP conservatism led by John Mccain is very old and dying along with all the elderly people who watch Fox news. The Alt-Right is why Trump took the 18-25 year old white vote that Obama won in 2008 & 2012. Not that it's even about red vs blue, liberals vs conservatives, left vs right or democrats vs republicans. Most liberals i know don't want to be near anywhere black people are in large numbers. They might pander a little and talk about their black friend from school but it holds no weight. Look at the history of white flight in America. Here in the North East white flight is very real. Baltimore, Wilmington, Chester, Philly, Camden, Detroit, Cleveland, Gary, St Louis, Chicago. White liberals use gentrification and charter schools to politely separate from blacks and that's a fact. Take Brooklyn and all over NYC for example. Listen i voted for Obama twice with hope things would change but identity politics is the future of America. Just watch how things play out over the next few decades in America and Europe.

 

[touchedbyjab]

The Alt-Right was founded on the concept of being against the GOP, Cuckservatism and the Iraq War. So some of what you say about it being left wing is true. Just look at where all the main people involved in the Alt-Right were at politically 10 years ago. The TRS goyim like (Mike Enoch) were mostly Ron Paul supporters. Richard Spencer realized the GOP didn't serve the best interest of European Americans. Anglin from Daily Stormer was posting on David Icke forum. Red Ice Radio was doing shows about spirituality, mysticism and conspiracy theories. It was the liberals under Obama that made everything about identity politics so Trump came along as white peoples response to the lefts racial politics. The BLM riots sealed the deal then Bannon broke the switch and now the Alt-Right is the new GOP whether conservatives like it or not so the future of America will be about race.

Good post.

It's alt-right (conservative) vs SJW (liberal). Democrats went so far left with identity politics (for the sake of gathering votes) that they've awakened a beast in conservatives. When you push a society too far one way, you will be met with a backlash.

 

[touchedbyjab]

Trump tweeted this, and has a long history of similar tweets also.

http://thehill.com/homenews/preside...takes-heat-for-tweet-about-black-murder-rates

Now as for your point about about the GOP in regards to the Alt-Right. The GOP conservatism led by John Mccain is very old and dying along with all the elderly people who watch Fox news. The Alt-Right is why Trump took the 18-25 year old white vote that Obama won in 2008 & 2012. Not that it's even about red vs blue, liberals vs conservatives, left vs right or democrats vs republicans. Most liberals i know don't want to be near anywhere black people are in large numbers. They might pander a little and talk about their black friend from school but it holds no weight. Look at the history of white flight in America. Here in the North East white flight is very real. Baltimore, Wilmington, Chester, Philly, Camden, Detroit, Cleveland, Gary, St Louis, Chicago. White liberals use gentrification and charter schools to politely separate from blacks and that's a fact. Take Brooklyn and all over NYC for example. Listen i voted for Obama twice with hope things would change but identity politics is the future of America. Just watch how things play out over the next few decades in America and Europe.

Yeah.. even blacks don't trust groups of other black males.

I, too, voted for Obama. I wanted change from the status quo, but he just shoved more of the same down our throats; driving us straight into socialism. Trump was in the right place saying the right things to a nation that desperately wanted to change course and turn away from a communist marxist socialist path.

I noticed that the narrative of white cops shooting blacks started being blasted all over the front pages of media during the latter part of the Obama administration; looking back now I think it was a strategic narrative put forth by the liberal media to put victims (minorities) against the oppressors (white males). They tried to put everyone against the white male, and they defined white male as a conservative Trump supporter. It didn't work, because I think people in general are starting to become wise to the game.

 

[moneyfight]

I noticed that the narrative of white cops shooting blacks started being blasted all over the front pages of media during the latter part of the Obama administration; looking back now I think it was a strategic narrative put forth by the liberal media to put victims (minorities) against the oppressors (white males). They tried to put everyone against the white male, and white male = conservative. It didn't work, because I think people in general are starting to become wise to the game.

BLM ended up having the opposite effect of what the (((people))) who financed it wanted. The Ferguson, Charlotte and Milwaukee riots were all terrible but the footage from the Baltimore riots made white people realize that there are third world Africans in the United States of America. Obama probably realizes in hindsight that all he had to do was shut down the BLM operation which would have stopped the riots and Hillary would be President right now.

 

[pinger]

Horry-shit LOL