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  1. Leagon Red Belt

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    Well, I was asking because you said that there are racially segregated communities in Toronto, and listed Italian and Portugese, as if they are different races.

    But now you're confusing me together. Italians and Portuguese will naturally stick together "if given the option"? Why? Because they are the same race or because of other political stuff?

    I agree. I don't think race is the primary unifier, especially in multicultural societies. But it wasn't even my point to assert that, I just wanted some proof or logic from him on his position.
     
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  2. lecter Black Belt

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    Well, yeah kind of, I'm somebody who's actually significantly less triggered by the alt-right than most people, I read their 'intellectual work' outside of sherdog, I have some good conversations with Blackend from time to time, and as long as a political movement doesn't advocate physical aggression, I don't see a reason to shut down the conversation. I simply don't agree with their core principle, the incontrovertible, unalterable significance of heritage and racial grouping concepts. But philosophically, I don't subscribe to most forms of egalitarianism and independent from that I think we can observe how people in the US have developed different (sub)cultures along racial lines. So naturally, I'm less offended by some alt-right statements than somebody who wants a government to enforce all sorts of equalization and says the only difference between blacks and whites today stems from systemic racism.

    But lately, the alt-right as a whole is becoming more and more annoying. The comparison to SJWs appears more and more appropriate with every new alt-right post. While people like the TS are consistently complaining about how you can't have an honest discussion, how people allegedly refuse to even consider certain factors when discussing socioeconomic developments etc, they engage in the exact same behavior.
    They start with different premises but then cherry pick statistics, studies and influences they want to discuss in order to justify those preformed theses. If a country does relatively well, looking at a snapshot of their economy in the current year, it's because they're white. That the same country went through various phases, experienced expansions and recessions, was a de facto 3rd world shithole as well as one of the wealthier countries in the world all within ~100 years while being equally white and without any major waves of immigration is ignored.
    That you find a correlation between phases of this country's growth curve and changes in its economic policies but none between those phases and a change in demographics is ignored. "No stupid cuckservative, nobody cares about free markets it's all about race".

    They also fail to recognize how close they are to the ideas and moral concepts of the most left-wing, SJW-like Bernie Bros. As a conservative/libertarian I'm used to arguing with lefties why I think they're not born with a positive right to this or that, which has to be provided by other members of our society who are currently alive. Now, right-wingers claim to be born with a positive right to something their ancestors achieved..... great advancement...
    Add some unfounded criticisms of capitalism, the upper class, big businesses, and international trade, the advocacy of welfare rights etc and you have the perfect 'lefty' plus some racism.
     
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  3. dontsnitch Gold Belt

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    I meant that Italians will stick with Italians, and Portuguese with Portuguese. Both of these groups are generally very patriotic.
     
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  5. nostradumbass Silver Belt

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    I suppose it depends on where the spending actually goes. There is no doubt quite a bit frivolity in weapons spending, but if salaries and benefits for teachers and military personnel were increased, I would not object.
     
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  6. Lead /Led/

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    Part of my reason for cuts is exactly that. I think politicians don't truly factor in the cost of war and decide to shit on those affected the worst from it on the back end. I think we should avoid as many American causalities as possible when considering conflicts. Even when the war ends (which in this day and age seems to be never), the soldiers fucked up from it keep that for their lives and Washington seems to care far less with the VA at that time. I don't think politicians are responsible enough to take responsibility for the conflicts they send us into. There need to be more measures that involve Congress and the president doing so. We voted once at this point on all the activity we've had on the middle east since 9/11? I tend to think the parties silently agree to continue these things while the general public hasn't been for it for some time if you take out the 9/11 effect (Bush first term was on humble foreign policy, Obama ran on faster troop withdrawal than Clinton and then won in the GE on scaling down the war, Trump ran on getting out of pointless conflicts that don't benefit us.)
     
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  7. moneyfight Blue Belt

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    The Alt-Right was founded on the concept of being against the GOP, Cuckservatism and the Iraq War. So some of what you say about it being left wing is true. Just look at where all the main people involved in the Alt-Right were at politically 10 years ago. The TRS goyim like (Mike Enoch) were mostly Ron Paul supporters. Richard Spencer realized the GOP didn't serve the best interest of European Americans. Anglin from Daily Stormer was posting on David Icke forum. Red Ice Radio was doing shows about spirituality, mysticism and conspiracy theories. It was the liberals under Obama that made everything about identity politics so Trump came along as white peoples response to the lefts racial politics. The BLM riots sealed the deal then Bannon broke the switch and now the Alt-Right is the new GOP whether conservatives like it or not so the future of America will be about race.

     
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    Very Interesting;
    Why do you think the Caucasian birth rates have gone down?

    -I've tried looking at obesity trends, education trends, interracial marriage trends, and some others but have not found much correlation with this birthrate decline and death-rate increase.
    --Seems in all of these trends Caucasians are at least risk for obesity, still 2nd(behind asians) in education rates, and both females and males inter-racially marry at 7%(the lowest among the races)
    -Unmarried; blacks and hispanics lead this category
    -Unemployed; black and hispanics lead this category
    -LBGT - Caucasians are the least likely race to identify within this group

    Possible reasons:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ics-amidst-soaring-Caucasian-death-rates.html

    -Death rate higher than birthrates in 1/3 of US States(17 to be exact) for middle-aged Caucasians
    --Some reasons includes drugs, alcohol poisoning, and suicides
    ---Though Caucasians in all regions have increased death rates, the largest surge was within Caucasians that were lower educated
    -The aforementioned article also denotes how the importation of Chinese goods and the exportation of jobs(esp. textiles, manufacturing), though Asians/blacks/Latinos death rates in rural areas have declined

    Whites usage of prescription/psychiatric drugs to treat mental health (14.5%), Blacks (6.5%), Hispanic(5.7%), Asians(3.1%)
    -Whites do us prescription drugs in general 10%+ than each of the other races
    --Though depression rates are 12.8 for AAs, 11.9 for Hispanics, and 7.9 for whites

    Heroin use increased by 114% for whites but stayed the same for the other races.(from '03-'14)

    Alcohol usage is highest among whites (~60%), AAs(~40%), Asians(<40%), Hispanics(~40%)

    Seems prescriptions drugs, and alcohol usage are problems; they are likely related to death rates, but still unsure about the birth rate issues
    -Though financial states were mentioned, especially after the Great Recession

    Hate to flood you with info, but curious on your opinion as to the lower birth rates?
     
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    I think that's the most profound thing I've read all day. The perfect "lefty" plus some racism.

    It perfectly sums up a big chunk of my complaints as well. The same government protectionism against the free market, belief in social entitlements, etc. but with an additional "race" motivator.
     
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  10. shady313 Purple Belt

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    I flip flopped between both but now I side with Nihilism.



























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  11. Blackened It is a new era!

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    I'm very busy right now, but send me a PM and I'll get back to you with an in depth reply later tonight.

    There are several answers, but the big ones haven't been mentioned yet. I'll detail them in the message
     
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  12. lecter Black Belt

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    In America's legislative, the alt-right is virtually irrelevant. Banonn might agree to some of your views, consciously or not, idk. So you have some influence on the president and his EOs. The only action he's taken so far which comes even remotely close to your interests is a travel ban based on nation states which was blocked by a court twice. The wall won't stop legal immigration and you now that. Apart from that, he has a ton of Jewish bankers in his administration, listens to an Orthodox Jew as a close advisor, praises our greatest ally and I'm pretty sure he's not a 'race realist'. I fail to see how somebody with your views thinks Trump absolutely is your guy or that you have actual political influence. I get 'the lesser of two evils', that is certainly true, that's equally true for me though. But his presidency making the alt-right the new GOP?

    Based on Richard Spencer's 50k Twitter followers?
    But let's assume that's accurate. I questioned the truth of your core beliefs, the efficiency of race realism and white ethno-states, not your success. So within our debate that doesn't really address anything I've written.
     
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  13. Blackened It is a new era!

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    How they covered up his peace negotiations in my History class was a total black pill.
     
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  14. luckyshot Good Pro Wrestling > MMA > Bad Pro Wrestling

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    Let me explain why Nazism is not a good plan for America.

    Three reasons:
    1. In case you haven't noticed, it didn't work in Germany. (Unless Hitler's secret plan was to decimate the German population. And his suicide was actually a victory celebration.) It's truly amazing how often this simple fact gets lost.

    2. How, exactly, is a worldview based on ethnic purity supposed to function in a society that has NEVER had ethnic homogeneity? At least is Germany, Nazism was tenable from a purely logical point of view. American Nazism is a virtual non-sequitor. We are a land of mutts and mongrols.

    3. We have HUGE minority populations relative to 1930's Germany. In other words, the ship has fucking sailed a long time ago. (Oh, yeah, and that ship was a slave ship, so whites are not exactly innocent victims in this equation.)
     
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  15. luckyshot Good Pro Wrestling > MMA > Bad Pro Wrestling

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    Trump tweeted this, and has a long history of similar tweets also.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/preside...takes-heat-for-tweet-about-black-murder-rates

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    Now as for your point about about the GOP in regards to the Alt-Right. The GOP conservatism led by John Mccain is very old and dying along with all the elderly people who watch Fox news. The Alt-Right is why Trump took the 18-25 year old white vote that Obama won in 2008 & 2012. Not that it's even about red vs blue, liberals vs conservatives, left vs right or democrats vs republicans. Most liberals i know don't want to be near anywhere black people are in large numbers. They might pander a little and talk about their black friend from school but it holds no weight. Look at the history of white flight in America. Here in the North East white flight is very real. Baltimore, Wilmington, Chester, Philly, Camden, Detroit, Cleveland, Gary, St Louis, Chicago. White liberals use gentrification and charter schools to politely separate from blacks and that's a fact. Take Brooklyn and all over NYC for example. Listen i voted for Obama twice with hope things would change but identity politics is the future of America. Just watch how things play out over the next few decades in America and Europe.
     
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  17. touchedbyjab Double Yellow Card

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    Good post.

    It's alt-right (conservative) vs SJW (liberal). Democrats went so far left with identity politics (for the sake of gathering votes) that they've awakened a beast in conservatives. When you push a society too far one way, you will be met with a backlash.
     
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    Yeah.. even blacks don't trust groups of other black males.

    I, too, voted for Obama. I wanted change from the status quo, but he just shoved more of the same down our throats; driving us straight into socialism. Trump was in the right place saying the right things to a nation that desperately wanted to change course and turn away from a communist marxist socialist path.

    I noticed that the narrative of white cops shooting blacks started being blasted all over the front pages of media during the latter part of the Obama administration; looking back now I think it was a strategic narrative put forth by the liberal media to put victims (minorities) against the oppressors (white males). They tried to put everyone against the white male, and they defined white male as a conservative Trump supporter. It didn't work, because I think people in general are starting to become wise to the game.
     
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  19. moneyfight Blue Belt

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    BLM ended up having the opposite effect of what the (((people))) who financed it wanted. The Ferguson, Charlotte and Milwaukee riots were all terrible but the footage from the Baltimore riots made white people realize that there are third world Africans in the United States of America. Obama probably realizes in hindsight that all he had to do was shut down the BLM operation which would have stopped the riots and Hillary would be President right now.
     
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    Horry-shit LOL
     
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