Another transgender fighter, except....

[davisxp]

Let's see this dude face Cyborg in boxing

Let's start with Fallon Fox.

 

[BearGrounds]

IMO transgenders need separate divisions.

And if there isn't enough of them to fill divisions, too bad, they don't get to compete.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Lol taking synthetic test isn't going to boost a females levels over those of an actual man.

Yes actually it will

 

[Phlog]

My stance hasn’t changed at all. Your argument has shifted from the op to men vs men. You’re now using a fight between an obese man vs a fit man. In this case, the weight isn’t necessarily an advantage but a disadvantage in many ways. The weight makes the obese man much slower than he would be if it were muscle. Also, it would absolutely tire out the obese man much quicker. So no, Royce was not at all at a great disadvantage as you claim. The biological differences between a man and woman are greater than an obese man fighting a fit man. I’m not sure why you think that height is necessarily a great advantage in mma. Reach would be, if the person actually knows how to use it. Men are typically stronger and faster than women, even if the man is the same size or bigger.

God damn son, I hope you're young.

The reason why I used a male v male fight as an example is that I was illustrating that there is greater variance within the male group than there is between the f2m and the XY they fought.

Thus disproving your position that the difference between men and women is too great to allow for such a fight to happen. Pathetic I think you called it.

I also used the fact the f2m won as an example of how it must have been a fair enough fight. If it were not she couldn't have won, thus disproving your positions validity.

As of yet you haven't provided a valid criticism, the fact that you believe you have suggests that we're not going to make much ground here.

 

[Phlog]

Lol taking synthetic test isn't going to boost a females levels over those of an actual man.

Yes actually it will

Yes it certainly can, but it's not really an issue because for the fight to be sanctioned they would have to have test in the normal levels, that is unless something is seriously wrong with a combat sport authority..

 

[The Crow]

God damn son, I hope you're young.

The reason why I used a male v male fight as an example is that I was illustrating that there is greater variance within the male group than there is between the f2m and the XY they fought.

Thus disproving your position that the difference between men and women is too great to allow for such a fight to happen. Pathetic I think you called it.

I also used the fact the f2m won as an example of how it must have been a fair enough fight. If it were not she couldn't have won, thus disproving your positions validity.

As of yet you haven't provided a valid criticism, the fact that you believe you have suggests that we're not going to make much ground here.

Well boy, you haven’t illustrated that the difference in the male vs male fight you suggested has greater variances than the female vs male fight. It’s your opinion that the obese man has more advantages over a fit man, than a male over a female. You’re wrong there. I’ve quite easily proven you wrong. You’re just being stubborn. That’s why we aren’t making ground.

 

[Phlog]

History.

 

[Kaybee]

Must bug dudes that want to be girls that women that want to be men can look much more convincing.

But the dudes can get somewhat legit vaginas made via surgery while women still can't grow functional penises.

 

[Phlog]

Well boy, you haven’t illustrated that the difference in the male vs male fight you suggested has greater variances than the female vs male fight. It’s your opinion that the obese man has more advantages over a fit man, than a male over a female. You’re wrong there. I’ve quite easily proven you wrong. You’re just being stubborn. That’s why we aren’t making ground.

My point is that there is greater variance within group than without. As such a fight with less variance is not "pathetic".

I was not suggesting only that the sumo wrestler had advantages or disadvantages but that the greater variance itself did not matter when making the fight. What's important is that there is some kind of parity.

 

[Phlog]

SeriiuSer worth checking the fight footage, Patricio has some fine pop and technique.

 

[quantiqus]

Finally a worthy opponent for CM Punk

 

[Phlog]

Finally a worthy opponent for CM Punk

 

[Andy Capp]

Meet Patricio Manuel:

Patricio Manuel competed on Saturday as the first out transgender boxer in U.S. history, eventually winning the super-featherweight match against his cisgender opponent.

The 33-year-old Los Angeles native, who competed six years ago in the Olympic trials before transitioning, defeated Hugo Aguilar at a casino in Indio, Calif. After both Manuel and Aguilar got in 12 minutes of hits, judges unanimously awarded Manuel the victory.

Manuel's win was even sweeter considering the prejudice he faced after he began transitioning -- the athlete lost both his coach and training facility upon coming out, the Los Angeles Times reports.

Manuel expressed jubilation at not only his victory, but the opportunity to fight as himself.

“I wouldn’t trade any of it. It was worth everything I went through to get to this point,” Manuel told the Times. “I’m a professional boxer now.”

Even his opponent, Aguilar, expressed support for Manuel. “For me it’s very respectable,” he said. “It doesn’t change anything for me. In the ring he wants to win and I want to win too.”

Manuel, emboldened, said he plans to soon fight again.

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Amazing to see. Like a middleweight fighting heavyweights. Congrats to his opponent also for taking it so well and comporting himself like a real man.

There. What you did. I saw it. <45>

 

[The Crow]

My point is that there is greater variance within group than without. As such a fight with less variance is not "pathetic".

I was not suggesting only that the sumo wrestler had advantages or disadvantages but that the greater variance itself did not matter when making the fight. What's important is that there is some kind of parity.

I understand your point. I think it’s incorrect. A man fighting women has greater advantages. The number of variances does not necessarily mean advantages. That’s my point. You pointed out three variances in the obese man vs fit man fight, there are more than that, and some are a disadvantage for the obese man.

 

[MoreKane]

why are people saying that once he steps up he will lose to cis men?....he looks like a typical male bone structure wise

 

[IamStryker]

Good. She should be fighting men.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Seems unfair because Manuel can take T to juice to higher levels than a natural male.

I would also bet you think it’s unfair for men who change to being female to fight women. But the whole argument against that, which I might agree with, is that any amount of hormone therapy they do will not decrease other advantages males have such as bone density and reaction time.

So if you don’t think trans women should be able to fight other women, then you can’t say that a trans man fighting other men is unfair simply because they are taking testosterone.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

You can disagree with me all you like but you're also disagreeing with actual science and facts.

First of all, psychiatry isn’t exactly a hard science, so any conclusions drawn, unless supported by quantitative empirical evidence are debatable.

Second, being transgender is not classified as a mental illness.

 

[Phlog]

First of all, psychiatry isn’t exactly a hard science, so any conclusions drawn, unless supported by quantitative empirical evidence are debatable.

Second, being transgender is not classified as a mental illness.

Psychiatry isn't a science at all.

Psychology however, is.

Body dysmorphia is a recognised mental illness and there is cause to believe that some of transgenderism fits within that. Its a confusing area, there are likely both situations within the population which makes it hard for lay people to hold a sufficiently nuanced position.

What's pretty clear to me is that anyone who stakes themselves down with a definite position is likely to look a fool in 20 years or so.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Psychiatry isn't a science at all.

Psychology however, is.

Body dysmorphia is a recognised mental illness and there is cause to believe that some of transgenderism fits within that. Its a confusing area, there are likely both situations within the population which makes it hard for lay people to hold a sufficiently nuanced position.

What's pretty clear to me is that anyone who stakes themselves down with a definite position is likely to look a fool in 20 years or so.

First of all, the only difference between psychology and psychiatry is that psychiatrists go to med school. And people consider medicine a science, and psychology (which is what I meant to say in my original post) as well, so I don’t know why psychiatry wouldn’t be considered the same.

Second, it is a normative science, meaning a lot of the data is qualitative and not quantitative. So it isn’t like physics or chemistry.

Third, and this is right from the APA website, “A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability.” That is written in direct response to the question “Is being transgender a mental disorder?”

So no, it is not.