Another transgender fighter, except....

[Fugazy]

*He

Lol, nah.

Chopping off your tits and taking synthetic hormones does not make you a Man.

It makes you a man-like object. But absolutely not a man.

Kind of just a shitty copy of one.

Not judging them as people. Just saying, it is what it is.

There are places making aftermarket "Shelby Cobras". Yeah they look like Cobras and they run like them, but they are facsimilies. Not the real thing.

 

[Ares Black]

Lol, nah.

Chopping off your tits and taking synthetic hormones does not make you a Man.

It makes you a man-like object. But absolutely not a man.

Kind of just a shitty copy of one.

Not judging them as people. Just saying, it is what it is.

There are places making aftermarket "Shelby Cobras". Yeah they look like Cobras and they run like them, but they are facsimilies. Not the real thing.

So this is a real man:

And this is a shitty copy of one?

 

[Fugazy]

So this is a real man:

And this is a shitty copy of one?

Idk who these people are, but..

Your fetishes are your own.

 

[Ares Black]

Idk who these people are, but..

Your fetishes are your own.

That is actor Michael Cera, born Male, and transgender model Laith Ashley, born Female.

 

[lsa]

A woman on T does not have advantages over males. Cyborg is not cleaning out male division from FW and below.

Thats because they wont let her...
Next to WW RDA

 

[Madmick]

So this is a real man:

And this is a shitty copy of one?

The one on top can couple with a woman to produce a child. That's sort of a big deal towards the definition.

 

[Plutoburn]

Seeing his topless actually makes me think about nudity in terms of gender equality. Let's make shows topless pictures of all genders legal. Why should being topless in public a privilege of men.

 

[DespicablePeep]

That is actor Michael Cera, born Male, and transgender model Laith Ashley, born Female.

Both are still in the sexes they were born

 

[Phlog]

You haven’t dispatched anything. When you said her, you weren’t talking about my post, were you? Now you’re trying to backtrack and say you were addressing something else in regards to my post. Accept your hypocrisy. The whole of my post wasn’t about gender pronouns, you added that part, and were called on your hypocrisy. You completely ignore that biological differences exist in men and women. Being a few inches shorter or taller, or having a weight advantage between two men, isn’t the same as the differences of males and females. I would say that weight classes are a good idea though. Tj dillashaw vs Jon Jones would be pathetic imho.

I'm not sure why you are fetishizing the gendered pronoun. I made a mistake, I admitted to such. That's basically irrelevant unless your point is that people make mistakes, which I of course agree with. Keep flapping on about that if you don't feel you have any retort of worth.

It is your message that this f2m person fighting a man is pathetic that is of interest.

. Royce Gracie vs. Chad "Akebono" Rowan -- Dec. 31, 2004
Weight difference: 308 pounds

Royce won of course and it was a fair enough match up. Are you suggesting that the difference between the fighters in the fight mentioned in my OP was greater, or are you suggesting that they shouldn't have fought because it was 'pathetic'?

 

[Phlog]

Um, they created weight classes for that, and disallow people from fighting all the time when they are too physically disadvantaged. It’s what the orgs do to keep people from getting killed.
We can accept as a society that people feel emotionally and psychologically like the other sex. But that doesn’t change the biology. Men have superior numbers in every sport their is. It’s not that men are harder workers or more dedicated. It’s that physically we are faster, stronger, larger, have more endurance, and are built to be such.

Weight classes are broadly speaking a mechanism to create more interest in fights, more championship fights equals more punters. There is zero evidence it was ever about protecting people, as far as I'm aware.

I'm not sure what you're arguing about with your second paragraph, I agree with all that, it's pretty much fact but has no bearing on anything were

 

[ArtemV]

She looks like she is on Meth

 

[Phlog]

Will it be awsome when she fights someone who isn't 0-6 and gets beaten unconcious?

That'll probably be about as unremarkable as any other fight result. What's awesome is triumph in the face of adversity and overwhelming odds.

 

[Ares Black]

Seeing his topless actually makes me think about nudity in terms of gender equality. Let's make shows topless pictures of all genders legal. Why should being topless in public a privilege of men.

Female toplessness is actually legal in Canada. It almost never happens, but technically legal.

 

[Felis]

Weight classes are broadly speaking a mechanism to create more interest in fights, more championship fights equals more punters. There is zero evidence it was ever about protecting people, as far as I'm aware.

Eh - to me it seems kinda selfevident that the reason for weightclasses is at least partly to ensure a certain amount of fairness and protection.
And in general I think that's a very good thing. I wouldn't want to abolish weight classes in martial sports. The same/similar goes for division by gender/sex.
However, I don't think these principles need to be strictly adhered to 100% of the time. Imo there should be some room for "upward permeability", meaning a person from a weaker division should be allowed to fight up. BJ Penn should be allowed to challenge Machida (even without having to fatten himself up for the minimum weight for that class), FtM transgenders should be allowed to fight against biological men and heck, in special cases I wouldn't even be against bio females being allowed to fight against bio men. Yes, in most cases the person from the weaker division will lose; he/she might also have a significantly higher risk for injuries than they would against people their own size&sex. But unless the disadvantages are EXTREME and as long as the weaker person is experienced enough to know what they're getting themself into, I think they should be allowed to take that risk.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Meet Patricio Manuel:

Patricio Manuel competed on Saturday as the first out transgender boxer in U.S. history, eventually winning the super-featherweight match against his cisgender opponent.

The 33-year-old Los Angeles native, who competed six years ago in the Olympic trials before transitioning, defeated Hugo Aguilar at a casino in Indio, Calif. After both Manuel and Aguilar got in 12 minutes of hits, judges unanimously awarded Manuel the victory.

Manuel's win was even sweeter considering the prejudice he faced after he began transitioning -- the athlete lost both his coach and training facility upon coming out, the Los Angeles Times reports.

Manuel expressed jubilation at not only his victory, but the opportunity to fight as himself.

“I wouldn’t trade any of it. It was worth everything I went through to get to this point,” Manuel told the Times. “I’m a professional boxer now.”

Even his opponent, Aguilar, expressed support for Manuel. “For me it’s very respectable,” he said. “It doesn’t change anything for me. In the ring he wants to win and I want to win too.”

Manuel, emboldened, said he plans to soon fight again.

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Amazing to see. Like a middleweight fighting heavyweights. Congrats to his opponent also for taking it so well and comporting himself like a real man.

Ok, so was this a chick who bacame a dude? Also, did it fight another ‘it’?


I don’t understand any of these bullshit terms, and I honestly think I speak for a lot of people here in saying that.


Thanks

 

[The Crow]

I'm not sure why you are fetishizing the gendered pronoun. I made a mistake, I admitted to such. That's basically irrelevant unless your point is that people make mistakes, which I of course agree with. Keep flapping on about that if you don't feel you have any retort of worth.

It is your message that this f2m person fighting a man is pathetic that is of interest.

. Royce Gracie vs. Chad "Akebono" Rowan -- Dec. 31, 2004
Weight difference: 308 pounds

Royce won of course and it was a fair enough match up. Are you suggesting that the difference between the fighters in the fight mentioned in my OP was greater, or are you suggesting that they shouldn't have fought because it was 'pathetic'?

I'm not sure why you are fetishizing the gendered pronoun. I made a mistake, I admitted to such. That's basically irrelevant unless your point is that people make mistakes, which I of course agree with. Keep flapping on about that if you don't feel you have any retort of worth.

It is your message that this f2m person fighting a man is pathetic that is of interest.

. Royce Gracie vs. Chad "Akebono" Rowan -- Dec. 31, 2004
Weight difference: 308 pounds

Royce won of course and it was a fair enough match up. Are you suggesting that the difference between the fighters in the fight mentioned in my OP was greater, or are you suggesting that they shouldn't have fought because it was 'pathetic'?

Nice try. You did say you made a mistake but that it had to do with my whole post. That’s not true and you know it. You just didn’t want to admit it. You also keep avoiding the differences in women and men biologically. That’s the point here as that is what your original post was about, woman vs man. If the subject were about two men fighting, then I doubt you would’ve made this post at all. Not sure what you’re finding hard to comprehend about that.

 

[Ares Black]

Ok, so was this a chick who bacame a dude? Also, did it fight another ‘it’?


I don’t understand any of these bullshit terms, and I honestly think I speak for a lot of people here in saying that.


Thanks

Yes, the boxer in question was born female and transitioned to become a man.

He then fought a male boxer and won, becoming the first female-to-male trans boxer.

 

[Phlog]

Eh - to me it seems kinda selfevident that the reason for weightclasses is at least partly to ensure a certain amount of fairness and protection.
And in general I think that's a very good thing. I wouldn't want to abolish weight classes in martial sports. The same/similar goes for division by gender/sex.
However, I don't think these principles need to be strictly adhered to 100% of the time. Imo there should be some room for "upward permeability", meaning a person from a weaker division should be allowed to fight up. BJ Penn should be allowed to challenge Machida (even without having to fatten himself up for the minimum weight for that class), FtM transgenders should be allowed to fight against biological men and heck, in special cases I wouldn't even be against bio females being allowed to fight against bio men. Yes, in most cases the person from the weaker division will lose; he/she might also have a significantly higher risk for injuries than they would against people their own size&sex. But unless the disadvantages are EXTREME and as long as the weaker person is experienced enough to know what they're getting themself into, I think they should be allowed to take that risk.

I'm with you. I don't believe weight classes should exist, like they don't in football, basketball or running but if we have them, we need to have methods to allow the smaller people (those that want) to challenge the bigger guys and girls.

Otherwise we lose out on true greatness.

 

[Phlog]

Ok, so was this a chick who bacame a dude? Also, did it fight another ‘it’?


I don’t understand any of these bullshit terms, and I honestly think I speak for a lot of people here in saying that.


Thanks

Yeah bro, a lady who transitioned to male fought a male and one.

Basically it was XX taking hormones to appear as XY fighting a legit XY.

No problemo.

 

[Phlog]

Nice try. You did say you made a mistake but that it had to do with my whole post. That’s not true and you know it. You just didn’t want to admit it. You also keep avoiding the differences in women and men biologically. That’s the point here as that is what your original post was about. If the subject were about two men fighting, then I doubt you would’ve made this post at all. Not sure what you’re finding hard to comprehend about that.

Your reading comprehension seems lacking so I'll go slow for you: I've never avoided the differences between men and women. I pointed out that there is greater difference within the male group then there is between a woman who transitioned and the man she fought, evidenced by her victory.

Of course I wouldn't have made this post about two XY people fighting, the whole point was how awesome it was, to quote my OP:

"Amazing to see. Like a middleweight fighting heavyweights. Congrats to his opponent also for taking it so well and comporting himself like a real man."

I'm of the belief that there should be combat sports where there are no gender or weight divides. We have a female on our American football team and she gets mad respect from me, whilst she'll never likely be more than third string the fact that she lowers her shoulder against the odds is amazing.

I don't care who's the best out of the weakest, I care who's the best.

Edit: in fact, to get back on topic, you still haven't yet provided a valid criticism.