Anderson in his prime was far and away the best MW fighter ever... Maybe best fighter ever.

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  1. Franklin U.

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    While he was UFC champ the destruction he layed down on " in their prime" fighters was fucking impressive.It can't be argued. He flat out handled prime Rich ....twice and first fight was tough to watch.Rich took about 188 knees in that plumb- brutal..
    Prime Marquadt who didn't pass "eye test" didn't make it out of 1st.

    Lutter- the first guy to implement a game plan that made Anderson work......was brutally finished in 2nd round (pretty sure).

    Made quick work of 37 year old top ranked Hendo in a 2nd round RNC.

    I'LL never forget Irvin-s sound bite before his fight with Silva at 205 : "I'm going show Anderson why we have weight classes "..... then Anderson proceeded to literally put a vagina in the middle of Irvin' s face- brutal cut and 1st round destruction.

    Griffin ran into cage like a nervous fan- fought like one- got finished quickly like one.....and then proceeded to run out of cage like one.

    Look what he did to prime Vitor- first round kick to the mug....night-y nite.

    Okami- " re match" was not competitive a single bit in a 2nd round destruction..

    Sonnen re-match ....another early beat down.

    Bonner tried his luck at 205 and again- another fighter who looked like he didn't belong in same cage as Anderson- -- another brutal 1st round retirement.

    He had a few "so so" performances along the way.... a few being the operative words.

    This is what separates himself from Gsp.
     
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    People who don't think his legacy is tarnished are kidding themselves. If they can't see it now they'll see it later.
     
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    Stylistically suited? During his prime?
    Leben (brawler)
    (green) Maia (1D bjj)
    Lutter (1D bjj)
    Leites (1D bjj)
    Marquardt (jack of all trades, not elite)
    Okami (jack of all trades, not elite)
    Cote (brawler, jack of all trades, not elite)
    Irvin (brawler)
    Bonner (brawler, jack of all trades, not elite)
    Rivera (brawler)
    Fryklund (brawler, jack of all trades, not elite)

    Even Forrest was tailor made, but I wont list him, as he was a good fighter and 1 fight removed from champ
     
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    No, but given Anderson's strengths and skills, most would acknowledge he would have much tougher time if the division was stacked with Kennedy/Sonnen/Weidman/Jacare/Yoel type fighters who could take him down who could stylistically threaten, rather than one guy he could 'matrix' after another as I mentioned earlier.

    Silva easily outmatched his opposition in the areas where it mattered and where the fight was likely to occur.

    It wasn't really until Sonnen or properly Weidman, that he got a guy that could wrestle at an elite level (and in the case of Weidman actually have submission grappling skills). Hendo you could argue was a great wrestler, but he wasn't really a guy to shoot in and take you down, more needing to tie-up and greco so Andy could manage that having a great thai clinch and distance management

    Either way, many advantages due to the favourable stylistic demographics of the MW div at the time and that has to factor in regarding his p4p status
     
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    He's not even the best juicer, that belongs to Jones. Silva was entertaining, but he lost multiple times. People consider 'his prime' top be when he was just beating cns like Mighty Mouse is, and 'out of prime' when he lost. The best fighter ever is GSP or Fedor, who accomplished just as much, if not more, and never got busted for habitually cheating.
     
  6. IvanDrago2.0

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    Anderson fought ww’s that couldn’t cut it at ww and lhw’s that couldn’t cut it at lhw and resorted to trying their luck at mw.. besides hendo, didn’t really beat anyone .. bisping >>>>> Anderson
     
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    To tell u the truth... 2006 Anderson steam rolls all these guys, lol. He was on another level :) he was like 2005 Shogun or 2011 Jones or 2003 Fedor... a different beast.
     
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    His best wins were Hendo pre TRT and Vitor, pre TRT too. Forest was also a headcase when he fought him, totally shot and strung out on Xanax, and as you point, was tailor made. Andy ducked legit LHW as much as GSP ducked Andy. The concept of 'Andy as GOAT' was Zuffa propaganda at it's finest, especially when Fedor was ten years undefeated and beat all the best and never cut weight, is practically the size of GSP.

    In fairness tho, all 'goat' candidates fought their fair share of vastly outmatched opponents on their runs.
     
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    the new Era... chris weidman destroyed him twice
     
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    Sounds kinda like flyweight is littered with failed bantamweights. "P4P Goats" gunna "P4P Goat".
     
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    Chris was/is great... but 2006 Anderson KOs him imo.
     
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    i think he get's chael'd and finished
     
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    Fair enough bro :)
     
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    silva can KO anyone though at anytime... especially back then
     
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    Not sure, maybe. Rockhold Weidman and Jacare could all be tough tests even in peak 2006-2008 form -50/50's
     
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    One thing i dont like about Chris is hes kinda clumsy on the feet lol... but hes good everywhere, and a monster grappler. Great timing on the strikes also.
     
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    Silva's striking was I think best suited to facing opponents who gave him openings though, yeah he would obviously be competitive with elite strikers but his boxing especially was not nearly as good as the hype IMHO. You watch the Franklin rematch for example and when he comes fowrd he walks into a lot of punches, bepends on chin/power to win.
     
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    Yeah, but... Silva solves them
     
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    for sure, he used to be a beast before usada....not having an IV and dropping weight really fucked his game up it seems... his losses have been fairly close as well
     
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    He submitted "1D BJJ" Lutter. What does brawler/jack of all trades even mean? He doesn't get credit unless his opponents were all simultaneously K1 champs, ADCC champs, and olympic wrestling medalists? They were the best guys in around at the time.

    Okami was 12-2 and was around the top of the division for years, so not sure how that isn't elite. He also beat Franklin, Vitor, Hendo, Chael. Why didn't you bother mentioning any of them?
     
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