Alfie Evans: Still alive 9 hours after life support pulled, Father pleading to re-instate with this

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  1. snakedafunky

    snakedafunky Red Belt

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    That doesn't make any sense.
    We even have laws in place that cover corpses.
    And that kid is still on live support.

    He should certainly still be covered by the law.
     
  2. cincymma79

    cincymma79 Red Belt

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    So even when the parents are going to pay for the care. You going to smother personally? Vegatavtive state doesn’t necessarily mean they die when you turn the machine off. I’ve had them live for days or long enough to get tranferred to a subacute care facility. So how long you giving then
     
  3. VivaRevolution

    VivaRevolution Whoopin' Belt

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    Covered by the law, in that no one should have sex with the bag of meat? Sure, just like a corpse.

    Should we have a law that says you can't embalm a corpse, because it is desecration of a human body?
     
  4. VivaRevolution

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    No, it is their bag of meat. Let them grieve with it how they want.
     
  5. cincymma79

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    Like paying for further care even if it is futile
     
  6. HockeyBjj

    HockeyBjj Putting on the foil

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    Viva started out with a good argument and side to this-
    And then fell off the deep end defending his position. Shame

     
  7. EL CORINTHIAN

    EL CORINTHIAN Brown Belt

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    You would change your tune real quick if you were in that position and could feel pain while your parents tried to keep you living longer in a comatose state. The parents are obviously trying to do whats best and thinking with their hearts but it's dragging on the inevitable, which is either death or a terrible life. Sometimes love becomes tyrannical.
     
  8. VivaRevolution

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    Same argument, the second one is just edgier, and more offensive.
     
  9. snakedafunky

    snakedafunky Red Belt

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    No, it's not just sex there are other restrictions in place as well. But you are probably more family with what is illegal sexually :).
    I am not sure what embalm a corpse has to do with it. You would have to agree to that. And that is all covered under strict laws.
     
  10. VivaRevolution

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    Saying a person feels pain in a vegetative coma, is like saying a zygote is a sentient human being.
     
  11. EL CORINTHIAN

    EL CORINTHIAN Brown Belt

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    People can feel pain in a coma. Are you saying that is not a possibility?
     
  12. VivaRevolution

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    My point with embalming, is that shit is fucking insane, and yet we accept desecration of a human corpse, as a cultural norm.

    If we are going to legislate decency, which is what this story is, that the law, and medical experts don't find these parents actions to be decent, then let's do that. Let's go all in with it, so people can see how flawed that line of thinking is.


    And it must be a judgement of decency, because their is certainly no child here that needs protecting, just a bag of meat.
     
  13. VivaRevolution

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    You keep saying coma, like it is the same thing as a vegetative coma.
     
  14. VivaRevolution

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    Yes, exactly. I think you might have misunderstood my position here.
     
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  15. EL CORINTHIAN

    EL CORINTHIAN Brown Belt

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    That is correct yes.
     
  16. VivaRevolution

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    That a coma, and vegetative coma are the same thing?

    Really?

    Go on, tell me more.
     
  17. Fawlty

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    Not taking a side on the decision, but in the short video here, you see that the baby responds to having his arms and legs moved:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/dad-says-heartbreaking-video-shows-13225678

    If you're the parent, you're going to see a baby that is very much alive, regardless of any medical realities. You would assume your baby can hear, and is feeling emotions. You would see life in his face. If you had access to money to move him for experimental treatments, it would be impossible not to fight for that chance. Especially when the doctors don't have a solid diagnosis.
     
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  18. EL CORINTHIAN

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    It's correct in that it is what im saying. Are those two things the same? As far as im concerned they are but we both don't know what we are talking about.

    Describe to me the inner workings of the two.
     
  19. snakedafunky

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    No those two things have nothing to do with each other. One deals with the preparation and handling of a dead person to meet certain social and hygiene standars.
    While the other is about the court protecting the interest of a child when the parents are unable to.
    Those have simply nothing to do with each other.

    It's also not a case about decency. It is simply a case of the courts protecting the interest of the child.
    There is nothing wrong with that line if thinking.
     
  20. VivaRevolution

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    Alright, I concede.

    A vegetative coma is not what I thought it was.

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