Aldo in the second Holloway is the best version of Aldo we’ve ever seen

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  1. welcometohavoc

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    So has Stephens and he's one fight away from fighting for the title. Plus he's been in a helluva alot more wars than Aldo. Aldo has usually either dominated his opponent or won a close point fight.

    He took more damage in those last two Holloway fights than he has in his entire career to that point combined
     
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    Youth isn't a skill and it means nothing in itself. When people say youth, they mean speed, cardio, etc
     
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    Yes, with all things considered. In the same way that Nate was a better striker than Conor in their first fight. In the same way that Jon Jones is a better striker than Machida. But when you look at their skills, Aldo was fighting an uphill battle with the discrepancies in range and stamina.
     
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    IIRC Aldo had either just gotten over the flu or had the flu for the Hominick fight.

    Having recently had the flu, I can tell you I'm amazed he even made it to the press events
     
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    The size thing is honestly frustrating to watch. Seeing Frankie vs. Ortega and Aldo vs. Holloway and Alves vs. Millender and them all having huge reach and height advantages for the weight classes sucked
     
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    Yeah he was not even close to 100% for the Hominick fight. He had to be escorted out of a press event. I don't remember him having the flu but I could be wrong, but he had his worst weight cut ever and his cardio was shockingly bad. Unusually bad.

    Whereas Mendes pushed Aldo to his absolute limits in their rematch, and Aldo didn't gas out too much (not nearly as bad as in the Hominick fight).
     
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    Yeah, it's definitely possible to overcome, but tiring. At the highest level and especially over the course of five rounds, that small advantage has a snowball effect.
     
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    Jose threw the most strikes of his career in the second Mendes fight(269) and the highest total for the first 3 rounds(184). Max was also getting hit at a much higher rate than Edgar or Mendes. He fought at a leisurely pace vs Edgar.
     
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    Split Cub Swanson's head open like a grape and finished the fight in like 7 seconds lol..he was nasty back then. Murderous leg kicks in the Faber fight, now he doesn't even throw any for some reason.
     
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    You also have to consider how much Jose was putting into those shots. All it took to get Frankie to respect Jose's power was a jab. While even Aldo's best hooks and uppercuts wouldn't keep Holloway off of him in the slightest.
     
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    Best version of Aldo was definitely not post USADA.
     
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    Best version of GSP was definetly not post USADA
     
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    And he still won a belt!
     
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    Against one eyed soon to be retired top 15 Bisping
     
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    What does that say about Rockhold and Silva who couldn't beat that one eyed Bisbing.
    Aldo's downhill began after usada at the age of 28.
     
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    Being this dumb should be illegal
     
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    I mean...... do I have to explain different fighters have different levels of wear and tear, and react to it differently? As far as Stephens goes, I wouldn't say he's doing anything amazing.


    He continues to lose to the elite and beat most everyone else.
     
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    I disagree, he was more efficient in the first fight.


    But I do agree his boxing was probably better, even though he didn't showcase it much. He's just battered down over the year

    This, OP is missing the main point. Maybe training with Robert helped his boxing, but the main here is that Aldos body is wearing down. And people don't realize a worn out body means training lighter to avoid injuries. Aldo doesn't throw as many kicks as he used to maybe because he can't drill them as much. Freddie roach a while back mentioned they have to specially prepare shogun because of his knees, that probably why his cardio is so poor these days.


    One day Max won't be able to spar like a young animal and his chin won't be holding up against the next generation
     
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    Aldo that fought Mendes the 2nd time is the best we've seen
     
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    You are conveniently leaving out the miles, injuries, and damage he had taken by the 2nd Max fight. Also the loss of confidence. Those things are known to matter to fighters.

    I get your point though. He looked really fast and his boxing looked as good as it ever has. Aldo just isn’t a boxer though, he is a MT guy with really good hands. A version of Aldo that doesn’t throw leg kicks just isn’t the best version of Aldo.
     

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