Aldo in the second Holloway is the best version of Aldo we’ve ever seen

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  1. Superzorro

    Superzorro Goddess of War

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    So we agree then. Aldo has never had this "golden" cardio that you spoke of. And it wasn't somehow better in the Edgar and Mendes fights. It's always been one of the weaker aspects of his game.
     
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    Technically hes a much better striker now. Maybe not the athlete he was then, though.
     
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    Nobody who takes the championship rounds from a tireless warrior like Frankie has weak cardio. At best it can be said Aldo has inconsistent cardio, but that when he fought Frankie it was the strongest it's ever been.

    In fact at UFC-200 Frankie put even more consistent pressure on Aldo than Max did. Frankie won R1 against Aldo, something Max wasn't able to do in either of his fights. Frankie pressured for 5 rounds, Max only started in R2. Frankie also constantly shot TDs on Aldo, a strategy which is more taxing on an opponent's cardio than Max's strategy of striking alone.
     
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    No, Frankie just wasn’t able to push the right buttons to expose it. There have been people in the past who have shown us glimpses of it, like say Lamas or Hominick. But none of them had the technical ability to make Aldo uncomfortable, and to keep him constantly working. Holloway, with his own endless cardio, height, reach and most importantly of all skill, never gave Aldo the chance to rest in the nooks and crannies of their exchanges like he so often does.

    Wrestling has nothing to do with it. In fact, it’s actually better for Aldo. Aldo likes to either explode in, or counter. He doesn’t like it when he has to fight at range, especially not when there’s a distance his opponent can hit him at, while he doesn’t have the same luxury (and it’s normally an area of rest).
    It forces him to fight almost frantically and fend his opponent away with offense. When I saw the first exchange with Max, I knew it was only a matter of time before the inevitable. But with Frankie, I knew Aldo would beat him to the punch all night, because Aldo was only working when he felt like it.

    Holloway is simply more taxing to fight than Frankie.
     
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    Fullmount Triangle Don't Let Them Force Feed You.

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    Holloway isnt even necessarily a better striker, hes way bigger, more durable, better cardio with striking yhat is almost as good. Its a horrible style for aldo, a guy who can take his shots and wont stop coming.
     
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    Huligani Number One Bullshit

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    People like you have obviously never trained a day in their lives and have never even watched boxing. Don't ever post again.

    WEC Aldo is complete shit compared to the Aldo that fought Holloway in either fight. Aldo didn't develop any respectable boxing skill until the first Frankie Edgar fight, and his cardio improved over the years due to better weight cutting techniques (learning the hard way, his best cardio showcase was in the second Frankie Edgar fight). His athleticism and reflexes didn't suddenly get worse once he actually developed good skills which was during the UFC.

    Truth be told, I see no visual evidence of Aldo being past his prime. He was as sharp as ever in the first Holloway fight. I should rewatch the second perhaps but I don't remember him seeming any different.
     
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    Gabe Saturdays are for the Boys

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    Boxing isn't the only facet of MMA. No need to be hostile.
     
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    Huligani Number One Bullshit

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    So you're implying Aldo's boxing did indeed get better but everything else somehow got worse? lol... WEC Aldo is merely a sloppy brawler with very good takedown defense and a great but underutilized ground game.
     
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    Holy shit the OP is retarded.
     
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    Huligani Number One Bullshit

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    Holloway is a far better striker than Aldo.
     
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    Substance Abuse Plutonium Belt Platinum Member

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    Jose didn't gas in the fifth. He missed on a takedown, slipped and was content to ride out the end with a huge lead.
     
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    Better boxer certainly. Being huge for 145 doesn't hurt either. Guys like Max and Ortega's size with their skill level are crazy dangerous.
     
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    Couldn't have typed it better myself.
     
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    Their time at 145 is also limited. Doubt they'll consistently make the cut at age 30.
     
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    Substance Abuse Plutonium Belt Platinum Member

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    True. 155 is in their future. It makes Frankie being a top guy for about eight years at 155 and 145 even more impressive. Imagine if Frankie and Aldo had those guy's size.
     
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    You casually left out the part where Aldo was seriously ill before that fight. Matter of fact, since you clearly have the internet, google it and see it for yourself. Not to mention aldo destroyed hominick, who btw, was a very good fighter at the time. Carry on tho
     
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    This. When they were both fresh, they seemed very evenly matched with a slight edge to Aldo.
     
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    Still haven't rewatched it

    I do remember before the 3rd round the head movement was on point.
     
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    What a silly thing to say. He may be young in years, but not in fight years. Dude's been around over a decade.
     
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    Honestly I'm not even sure he's more skilled than Aldo, I think Aldo just can't fight the kind of fight he needs to beat Holloway for 5 rounds. He has the skills but his cardio just can't keep up
     
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