African American vs Hispanic American rift?

[Deleted member 457759]

More Russian propaganda. No thanks.

We have enough to work on without dealing with that crap too.

 

[Willy Womack]

1. Overall, Hispanics and AAs tend to get along great in the Northeast, are indifferent to each other in the Southwest and tense/hostile in California.

Not true in my experience. The attitude towards blacks by many Hispanics in NM and Texas is worse or as bad as what I've seen in CA.

It's funny how many people will try to find common ground with you based on hating another race. I've worked with plenty of blacks too and some I was cool with would try to shit on Mexicans in front of me as a way to bond I guess. I've heard the same with Mexicans about blacks and when I wasn't around they would probably say the same about whites.

That was a few years ago. These days people are a lot more careful.

 

[Malvo]

It's all good, loco.

 

[uppercutbus]

AFAIK blacks and latinos don't get along in schools. The groupings develop organically and will clash even if there was no gang/prison culture influencing it from the outside.

 

[panamaican]

It kind of depends on the area and what type of Hispanics. In California, it's more racialized with blacks, whites and Latinos forming pretty distinct racial groups, and Latinos have taken over traditionally black areas and there's been ethnic cleansing of blacks from certain neighborhoods. In Florida, there's more of an overlap with both black and white Hispanics. White Hispanics tend to blend into the white population more while black Hispanics do the same in the black population. They're not as distinct racially as they are in other areas. In the Northeast, blacks and Hispanics generally get along well and share a lot of neighborhoods. I've also heard that Mexicans in Texas get along better with blacks than Mexicans in California. Hispanic populations have varying degrees of black ancestry and familiarity/affinity with blacks.

Pretty much this.

They're both on the short end of the social totem pole, consigned to low income neighborhoods, etc. So there's a lot of competition over scarce resources, both legal and illegal.

 

[new_mexico1]

Not true in my experience. The attitude towards blacks by many Hispanics in NM and Texas is worse or as bad as what I've seen in CA.

I disagree

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Ahh, the black and latino gang culture. So enriching to our youths. Frankly, we need more of it. We need to offset the rampant Nazism of the evil whites.

Before I dive into your shitposting. Where did you grow up?

 

[nicapica]

prison politics is news?

 

[Willy Womack]

I disagree

Good for you.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

You should be more pro America because if this country fails you'll wish you were more pro american

Probably not though, I could always move.

The USA historically supported groups that took hammers to the heads of children and dumped them in wells, also training dictators and terrorists in the SOA.

The USA has proven that people are so fucking stupid they vote against the interests of their own countrymen to be on a "winning side"

The USA invaded Vietnam, massacred civilians, and covered up gang rapes and the blatant murder of children.

The USA impacted all of Latin America through their policies, terrorist support, and strongarm policies then complains about migrants from those countries.

The USA took out a democratically elected leader in Iran and installed an oppressive government, and wonders why Iran burns American flags

The USA armed and trained terrorists in Afghanistan, and destroyed the only progress that nation has made.

The USA finally got what was coming to them in 9/11 and instead of attacking those responsible decided to commit WAR CRIMES against the civilians of Iraq and wonder why ISIS propped up so easily.

The USA cut mental health spending and shut down the hospitals and they wonder why the homeless situation is what it is.

People that marched against unjust labor laws to the fact human meat was consumed by the public were murdered by the hands of government officials because they were "socialists".

How are we the good guys? Every single terrorist act against the US is minuscule in comparison to the death and despair inflicted by our tax dollars, we're all guilty and this Trump America bullshit. I'm not even mad about it. Americans have historically proven themselves extremely reliable to work hard to their own demise.

 

[NoDak]

Not true in my experience. The attitude towards blacks by many Hispanics in NM and Texas is worse or as bad as what I've seen in CA.

It's funny how many people will try to find common ground with you based on hating another race. I've worked with plenty of blacks too and some I was cool with would try to shit on Mexicans in front of me as a way to bond I guess. I've heard the same with Mexicans about blacks and when I wasn't around they would probably say the same about whites.

That was a few years ago. These days people are a lot more careful.

You can add AZ to that, at least in my personal experience going to school with them, working with them, living as a white minority in the same neighborhoods with them, sleeping with them, etc. It is what it is, there's no malignant 'agenda' involved. The theme in this thread from people speaking from direct experience - however anecdotal - would seem to be pretty consistent. It's not a crisis or anything though.

AFAIK blacks and latinos don't get along in schools. The groupings develop organically and will clash even if there was no gang/prison culture influencing it from the outside.

That's correct, I was the first one to mention that on the first page before someone posted a news article about it. Looks like his whole account may have been wiped off Sherdog.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Probably not though, I could always move.

The USA historically supported groups that took hammers to the heads of children and dumped them in wells, also training dictators and terrorists in the SOA.

The USA has proven that people are so fucking stupid they vote against the interests of their own countrymen to be on a "winning side"

The USA invaded Vietnam, massacred civilians, and covered up gang rapes and the blatant murder of children.

The USA impacted all of Latin America through their policies, terrorist support, and strongarm policies then complains about migrants from those countries.

The USA took out a democratically elected leader in Iran and installed an oppressive government, and wonders why Iran burns American flags

The USA armed and trained terrorists in Afghanistan, and destroyed the only progress that nation has made.

The USA finally got what was coming to them in 9/11 and instead of attacking those responsible decided to commit WAR CRIMES against the civilians of Iraq and wonder why ISIS propped up so easily.

The USA cut mental health spending and shut down the hospitals and they wonder why the homeless situation is what it is.

People that marched against unjust labor laws to the fact human meat was consumed by the public were murdered by the hands of government officials because they were "socialists".

How are we the good guys? Every single terrorist act against the US is minuscule in comparison to the death and despair inflicted by our tax dollars, we're all guilty and this Trump America bullshit. I'm not even mad about it. Americans have historically proven themselves extremely reliable to work hard to their own demise.

Who is the good guys? Name them.

 

[NoDak]

There is racism within Hispanics also. Hispanic is not a race, just a linguistic and cultural grouping. There is a caste system within Hispanics and latinos, with the indigenous Americans and Blacks at the bottom, the mixed people somewhere in-between and the Whites on top. Their culture is much more racist towards Blacks than we are, even though they don't subscribe to the 1 drop rule.

first off, I hope you are referring to mexican nationals and not citizens of this country who are of mexican descent, because that is racist. Hispanics are not a race but being of mexican american blood is seen as a race and has been historically, so in that sense there is racism against latinos because they are perceived as such. When President trump called that judge a "mexican" like most americans, especially african americans, he was referring to his race in order to undermine his american status.

It's true that hispanics are an admixture of (wildly) varying levels of European and Native DNA. If you analyzed their genomes and cross-referenced with those populations, they will have sequences which correspond to both on different spots of their chromosomes. The interesting thing is the enormous scale on which this admixture took place over the last several centuries, to the point where if there isn't a reference population they actually form their own distinct cluster and this is how the history of human population genetics has played out to a large extent.

For the purposes of the way 'race' is used in the US, the apprehension of placing them alongside the categories of "White, Black, Asian" is dissipating, or at least probably should be given the evidence but when the hell has that ever mattered? It certainly doesn't now (in regards to anything) and there's a push to completely shut down research of this nature in the United States. You can do that, but the likes of China isn't going to. We aren't the only motherfuckers on the STEM Bloc anymore.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1196372/

We have analyzed genetic data for 326 microsatellite markers that were typed uniformly in a large multiethnic population-based sample of individuals as part of a study of the genetics of hypertension. Subjects identified themselves as belonging to one of four major racial/ethnic groups (White, African American, East Asian, and Hispanic) and were recruited from 15 different geographic locales within the United States and Taiwan.

Genetic cluster analysis of the microsatellite markers produced four major clusters, which showed near-perfect correspondence with the four self-reported race/ethnicity categories. Of 3,636 subjects of varying race/ethnicity, only 5 (0.14%) showed genetic cluster membership different from their self-identified race/ethnicity. On the other hand, we detected only modest genetic differentiation between different current geographic locales within each race/ethnicity group.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

It's true that hispanics are an admixture of (wildly) varying levels of European and Native DNA. If you analyzed their genomes and cross-referenced with those populations, they will have sequences which correspond to both on different spots of their chromosomes. The interesting thing is the enormous scale on which this admixture took place over the last several hundred centuries, to the point where if there isn't a reference population they actually form their own distinct cluster and this is actually how the history of human population genetics has played out to a large extent.

For the purposes of the way 'race' is used in the US, the apprehension of placing them along side the categories of "White, Black, Asian" is dissipating, or at least probably should be given the evidence but when the hell has thst ever mattered? It certainly doesn't now (in regards to anything) and there's a push to completely shut down research of this nature in the United States. You can do that, but the likes of China isn't going to. We aren't the only motherfuckers on the STEM Bloc anymore.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1196372/

We have analyzed genetic data for 326 microsatellite markers that were typed uniformly in a large multiethnic population-based sample of individuals as part of a study of the genetics of hypertension. Subjects identified themselves as belonging to one of four major racial/ethnic groups (White, African American, East Asian, and Hispanic) and were recruited from 15 different geographic locales within the United States and Taiwan.

Genetic cluster analysis of the microsatellite markers produced four major clusters, which showed near-perfect correspondence with the four self-reported race/ethnicity categories. Of 3,636 subjects of varying race/ethnicity, only 5 (0.14%) showed genetic cluster membership different from their self-identified race/ethnicity. On the other hand, we detected only modest genetic differentiation between different current geographic locales within each race/ethnicity group.

I was talking about race in the social construct sense of the world when it came to Mexican Americans. Hispanics can be any race. asian, white, black, native, mixed to any degree etc.

 

[NoDak]

I was talking about race in the social construct sense of the world when it came to Mexican Americans. Hispanics can be any race. asian, white, black, native, mixed to any degree etc.

And I was more addressing your point about "Mexican blood", with hispanic essentially serving as a euphemism for mestizo in this instance; although they do constitute a strong majority of Latin America on the whole, we know there are indeed Hispanics (or Latinos) that are also of majority or partial Sub-Saharan African ancestry in addition to European and Indigenous American. What went down there was a literal continental sized clusterfuck of admixture and it's also incredibly recent on an evolutionary time scale.

I also have trouble with "White, Black, Asian". Not just because it's a reference to two skin tones and a geographic region as that's done as a matter of phenotypic convenience with obvious synonyms but Europeans would still cluster even if we didn't have white skin. Sub-Saharan Africans and Melanesians don't even though they both have dark skin. I guess it just goes to show "race" isn't genetics, and skin color as the basis of "race" is wildly simplistic but neither of those things refute the tangible existence of human genetic variation either, and some of the overlaps which do exist make popular conceptions persist.

 

[NoDak]

Who is the good guys? Name them.

POC.

 

[Victor Maitland]

LA has a lot of issues between the Hispanics and African Americans because many traditionally African American communities are shifting towards becoming Hispanic.

Moreover the Koreans are still a little miffed about the whole LA riots so if you go up to K Town all the shopkeepers are ready for war.

I hear its happening all over the west coast of America.
The Latino onslaught displacing blacks . Latino gangs targeting blacks !!

Blacks wont benefit from having a load of guatamalans and Hondurans pouring in.
But they are easily gaslit by the media into blaming white Americans for their troubles .

 

[Son of Jamin]

This thread made be reflect on an article on a grieving black father, whose son was murdered by an illegal immigrant of Hispanic background. He said something to the effect of, media only cares if a white person kills a black person.

 

[NoDak]

This thread made be reflect on an article on a grieving black father, whose son was murdered by an illegal immigrant of Hispanic background. He said something to the effect of, media only cares if a white person kills a black person.

The coverage is driven more by what 'sells' rather than any particular political agenda.

 

[TidWell]

Not true in my experience. The attitude towards blacks by many Hispanics in NM and Texas is worse or as bad as what I've seen in CA.

It's funny how many people will try to find common ground with you based on hating another race. I've worked with plenty of blacks too and some I was cool with would try to shit on Mexicans in front of me as a way to bond I guess. I've heard the same with Mexicans about blacks and when I wasn't around they would probably say the same about whites.

That was a few years ago. These days people are a lot more careful.

Whats crazy about California is its the most Liberal state yet the most racial divided