A West Point Grad Wrote 'Communism Will Win' in His Cap | Page 14

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  1. lfd0311 Gold Belt

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    Because the Left would lose their minds about Free Speech. But that isn't how the military works. There is a price for everything you do. And you don't get to be a Communist in the miltary. You especially don't get to be a Communist infantryman. You absolutely don't get to be a Communist Infantry Officer, and you for sure don't get to be a Communist Infantry Officer West Point Grad who rubs that in the face of everyone, at your West Point graduation. They will get you back, and they will make an example out of you if you do something like that, and this dude should have known that.
     
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    It's clear the man has never lived under a communist regime.

    How the hell does it go from wanting more social safety nets (rational) to wanting full on socialism or even communism?
     
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    You can only play the team that shows up. None of what you say changes the fact that the RAF won the Battle of Britain and was thus directly responsible for the planned invasion of the UK being shelved. Goering promised Hitler the Luftwaffe would destroy the RAF and break Britain's will to resist. He failed. The fact that so much of the Luftwaffe was held in reserve for Operation Barbarossa is irrelevant. Hitler always planned to sucker-punch Stalin. He hated Communists just as much as Jews, and planned to exterminate every man, woman and child in Russia. There was never a time when Hiter considered sacrificing planes and pilots he might need for Russia in order to defeat the UK.

    Saying that the RAF would not have won if the Nazis had brought the full might of the Luftwaffe to bear is as irrelevant as saying America might never have entered the War had the Japanese not bombed Pear Harbour. It doesn't change the historical facts.
     
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    It seems that his education can't be recouped as he graduated and unless they find more he will probably only take an article 15 rip
     
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    Ok, now we have to address the idea that Operation Sealion was anything more than a hypothetical threat, an intimidation tactic by Hitler to get the English to surrender under the threat of invasion. Secondly, we have to address you saying that the affect Operation Barbarossa had on this event is irrelevant as well. The affect Operation Barbarossa had on both the early stages of the war and it's outcome are so significant it can't be overstated.

    First, Operation Sealion was never anything more than a threat to England. Germany was not going to invade England. If they, where, what were they going to do it with? The hypothetical units to be used in the alleged invasion of England where the 6th, 9th and 16th armies along with German Mountain units and the Brandenberg Regiment, the German Army's Special Forces Unit. Now, all of that sounds well and good, except for the fact that of these units that were even in the vicinity to begin with, none of them were drawn up in any sort of position to attack England. They weren't going to be ferried across the channel on barges, and the troops were never massed in any meaningful way. The 6th Army was in Normandy, but it just so happened to be the single best unit in the German Army and Hitler wasn't really going to throw that into battle in England with Barbarossa just around the corner. The 9th Army was in Poland, and the 16th was still in Germany. The Mountain Troops and the Brandenbergers were both in Romania at the time, about to invade Greece on behalf of Italy. How exactly were they going to be part of this land invasion of England? On top of all that, a land invasion of England, air superiority or no, would have cost millions of casualities. Millions. How was Hitler going to do that, then turn right around and carry out Barbarossa with the exact same troops? The only real answer is "He wasn't". 6th Army was the main effort of Army Group South during Barbarossa, and is now most famous in history for being anihilated at Stalingrad. 9th Army was part of Army Group Center and was responsible for the assault of, and collapse of the Smolensk pocket. 16th Army was part of Army Group North and fought at Leningrad. If these units invade England, there is no Operation Barbarossa. Barbarossa was the single most important event of the war. Though noone realized it at the time, it was what brought lost the war for Germany. Hitler was hell bent on beating the Soviets and striking a blow against Socialism. He saw England and the rest of the West as people he could reach a common accord with. Nearly 1 and a quarter million German Troops started out the invasion of the Soviet Union with Operation Barbarossa. Less than 300,000 of those men ever returned to Germany. Operation Sealion is a fictional event that had no bearing on the war. You are once again repeating stories meant to fill you with nationalistic pride, but aren't in any way true. After WWII it was apparent that the West and the Soviets would be at odds for some time, possibly even go to war. We couldn't allow the next generations of people to grow up thinking that that war had been won by anyone but us.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion_order_of_battle
     
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    Brutal.
     
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    One more time for the Hard of Thinking: Operation Sea Lion would have gone ahead if the Luftwaffe had been able to deliver complete air superiority. In spite of out-numbering the RAF, they failed to do so. Thus, even Hitler was able to see that Sea Lion would, at the very best, have been a pyrrhic "victory" that cost him men and material he simply could not afford to lose.

    There are some instances where you don't have to KO the other guy to get the win. By fighting the Luftwaffe to a standstill, the RAF stopped the Nazis from even attempting the invasion of Britain. By any definition, that was a win. End of story.
     
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    Yeah, if I had feelings, they'd have been hurt:)
     
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    let's see... rich white kid with connected parents get him into West Point. He grows up in a house with nannies and slaves (err... maids) in a wall (gated) protected community. Not shocking he is a democrat/socialist.

    Two kinds of libertards, rich self-hating hypocrites, and brain dead welfare rats or gumbit workers.
     
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    The irony of you calling someone else hard of thinking while still pushing propaganda. The Nazis were never going to invade England.

    1.) they couldn't have and still have invaded Russia, which as we've covered was always their real objective anyway because all of the units in hypothetical operation sea lion were main effort troops in Barbarossa and the rest of the invasion of Russia.

    Secondly, most of those troops were still spread out throughout Poland, Germany or actively fighting in Greece when Hitler was allegedly weighing sending them into England. It's a nice nationalistic story you're telling yourself, but it isn't true. Hilter never intended to invade England, and stopped bombing it only to save resources to send into Russia.
     
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    If the RAF had been as weak as your arguments, I'd be writing this in German:rolleyes:

    The Battle of Britain lasted over three months and cost the Luftwaffe over two and a half thousand dead, with nearly another thousand captured. Plus the loss of nearly two thousand aircraft. Do you really think the Nazis would have been willing to sustain such losses, week after week, month after month, if they did not have a concrete goal in mind?

    If Hitler had not been planning to invade, the Battle of Britain would not have taken place. He had no need to keep losing men and planes in raiding the UK, which was isolated and possesed no ability to take offensive action at that time. The fact that the various army units marked for Sea Lion weren't camping out on the French coast is meaningless. Hitler knew that even if Goering delivered on his promise to deliver total air superiority, it would take months to achieve. He was not about to tie down hundreds of thousands of men, tanks etc for an operation that hinged on the Luftwaffe destroying the RAF until that result had been achieved. Much better to have them gainfully employed elsewhere.
     
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    1.) No you wouldn't have, because the English were never going to be invaded. That's why they never surrendered. They knew that no matter what happened, they would not be invaded because that would have brought the US, still a neutral party, into the war and they did not want to be fighting all of the major Western powers at one time like they eventually had to. They were attempting to fight them one at a time, consolidating Western Europe, what they in reality saw as thier rear, before launching their real objective, which was an attack on Communism and the Soviet Union. That's what WWII was really about. Securing of their flanks prior to the stepping off of the main assault, consolidating, then preforming their actual objective. The English were still sending Tanks and Troops to North Africa in August of 1940 and even mid-Blitz. That's a very odd thing for a country that is expecting to be invaded to do, wouldn't you say? I'm not the one making the weak argument here, my friend.

    Secondly, the Germans wouldn't have been able to kill off the English language. That's yet more preposterous propoganda that you're repeating. Stop it.

    Altogether the blitz lasted for 8 months. Yes, it cost over 2500 aircraft, as we've covered before. Babarossa which started barely a month after the end of the blitz on England and featured all of the Air Fleets involved in the Blitz (that's all of them, mind you) lasted for 3 less months and cost Germany 8,000 more planes while destroying almost 22,000 Russian planes. So yes, as you said it is clear what their concrete goal was, you just aren't willing to admit what that was.

    See, these comments show how unfamiliar you are with the actual history of what we're talking about. He wasn't attempting to "raid" England, he was attempting to bomb it into submission. He saw Western Europe as a group of Countries that The Germans, as what he saw as a Christian Nation, could come to terms and reach a common understanding with. He actually believed that, in the midst of carrying out mass genocide and rampaging across Europe, and even after firebombing London, that war with England was really all just a big misunderstanding that could be worked out in a civil manner because he liked and respected English culture and saw it as a Germanic nation of itself because of his obsession with old German history and William the Conqueror. This is one of the reasons The Germans stopped at Dunkirk. The German Armor Commander Gerd Von Rundstedt said as much, that he believed that Hitler was still trying to establish diplomatic ties with the English prior to launching Barbarossa.

    Secondly, the common history surronding the alleged planned invasion of Britain was suggested to happen roughly around the 23rd of August, 1940. Yet most of the units you're suggesting would have invaded England on August 23rd, 1940 were either still in Eastern Germany, in Poland, or actively fighting in Greece. So to claim they weren't consolidated and ready to launch across the English Channel is "meaningless" shows you either don't actually know what you're talking about or you don't understand that air superiority isn't a constant condition. It has to be maintained. They wouldn't name it as a condition for invasion, acheive it in hardwon battle, then just hang out for months figuring out what they were going to do from there.
     
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    Oh, for God's sake. This is the level of stupidity I'd expect from a Flat Earther. You do realise that Operation Sea Lion was a historical fact? It's not a theory, or an interpretation. Professional Historians have concluded that Hitler had every intention of launching the invasion of the UK had Goering been able to deliver on his promise. Which was to completely destroy the RAF Fighter Command. Had the Luftwaffe been able to do that, the Nazis would have enjoyed air superiority for as long as they needed. Because Britain at that time simply could not have replaced that many planes and pilots. Destroy fighter command and the Luftwaffe can cover the Kreigsmarine and overwhelm the Royal Navy in the Channel.

    The only part of your drivel that is correct is that Hitler did not particularly want to make war with Britain. Indeed, he regarded the British as a Germanic people, and was even an admirer of the British Empire. In fact, he intended to use it as a model for running the Third Reich after the war was over.

    Again, the above is historical fact. This is what people who have spent their careers studying WWII have concluded. Compared to them, your pitiful attempts to reinterperate history is as worthless as my opinion on Citizen Kane; I personally think it's fucking boring, but I accept that people with far more knowledge than me in the field regard it as one of the finest movies ever made.
     
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    Anarcho-communist 3rd wave feminists are going to "win" at politics via taking photos in edgy T-shirts, undermining their academic/legal positions and shouting down their peers in fingerpainting class while maintaining a 0.3 fertility rate, going extinct in 1.5 generations.

    Islam grows at a rate of 235% per year and sub-Saharan Africa will account for most human births by the end of this century.

    The legacy of the postmodern left will be: Literally nothing. They won't exist in sufficient numbers to affect anything anywhere and nobody is adopting their beliefs overseas. It's wasted breath to even address these goobers.
     
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    Really? When did it happen? What historians were those? Again, you're arguing with actual history at this point, and with the Germans themselves. He could not have consolidated those troops in 3 days to invade England, especially when England was not the target. You've also conveniently ignored every single thing I've posted that hurts your argument. Why were some of the main units in this alleged invasion actively fighting on the other side of Europe at the time the invasion was supposed to be happening? Why was Churchill sending tanks and infantry to North Africa in the middle of the Blitz if he was expecting the city he was standing in to be invaded any day? Answer those questions with some sort of rational thoughts, please.
     
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    Having fun with 'lfd0311'? Hard headed isn't he? Claims to be an ex-Marine. May want to try talking really slowly and repeat yourself often. Was in your shoes not too long ago on a different argument. Have fun...
     
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    Update on the story

    West Point Launches Investigation over Its Handling of Communist Soldier

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ation-over-its-handling-of-communist-soldier/
     
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    You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

    One more time: if the Luftwaffe had pushed the RAF's shit in during the Battle of Britain, the Kreigsmarine, Heer and Waffen SS could have taken as much time as they needed to mount an invasion of England. If we lost RAF Fighter Command, we weren't getting it back. Resources were stretched to the limit. That's why pilots were flying combat missions with the absolute bare minimum of training hours.

    As to your question regarding the Blitz: the policy of bombing industrial centres and cities was a direct response to the failure of the Luftwaffe to quickly secure air superiority. Hitler grew impatient with Goering's progress and ordered the Blitz in an attempt to speed up the process. Partly by forcing the RAF to fight against far superior numbers until they lost a war of attrition.

    The Blitz started on 7th September 1940 and finished on the 11th May 1941. Operation Sea Lion was postponed indefinetly on 17 September 1940. Churchill sent tanks and infantry to North Africa in the middle of the Blitz because by that time the danger of being invaded had passed.
     
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