A PED related question that involves USADA.

[Pacemaker Joe]

Yeah, you're going to go to a remote hunting lodge for an extended period of time while you do multiple cycles and train.

This isn't some shitty Rocky movie.

You're going to the Congo instead? Yea, that seems a lot better.

Realistically, if you don't want to be tested for months, in a predictable manner, it's not going to happen. You can game it slightly by being in declared, but inaccessible areas, and by burning whereabouts failures if need be.

 

[Zefram Cochrane]

You wanna duck testing go to florida where there's a network at airports looking out for testers

Is this real or sarcasm? Honest question

 

[dim_]

Is this real or sarcasm? Honest question

Oh, perfectly real. There are plenty of places where you can stay as an athlete that has early warning when known testers are in town.

Certain parts of Florida for instance, they have people at the airports who whenever known testers are spotted arriving will make calls to training centres, gyms, and then there's quick ladder calls and within no time at all everyone knows they are in town.

(pretty much every major town that hosts a lot of athletes has some sort of warning system, for instance Girona is massively popular with cyclists.. as soon as testers turn up at one place, the calls go out to everybody in the town letting them know, Tenerife is another one.)

Its not just the weather that makes Florida such a popular spot for all kinds of athletes, from track to tennis players, to footballers.. (that and the sheer wealth of anti aging clinics).




Remember the Cyborg situation in Thailand where teh hotel caused a huge fuss and called the police.. Cyborg was tested just fine, but that wasnt for Cyborg's benefit. That was to let every athlete in the area know testers were in town.. if you are glowing, duck out and take a missed test.

 

[sprucelees]

what if they just legalize it all

 

[Paolo Delutis]

I don't understand people who think USADA is a good thing in such a brutal sport. USADA has no business in contact and collision sports. These athletes need the best in medicine and technology to help them maintain their bodies. I will hypothesize that USADA is actually against long-term health of contact and collision athletes.

I am ok with USADA in track-n-field where the athletes are only competing against themselves. However, in contact and collision sports, the athletes need the best in medicine and technology. Any ideology against this is simply barbaric and dangerous, and I will never sport it.

??? ..let me get this straight..you would have super strong people on roids hitting people in the face rattling there brain..and this okay to you..

But running faster on a track becuase of drugs is wrong?..


Thats fucked...just saying

 

[Zefram Cochrane]

Oh, perfectly real. There are plenty of places where you can stay as an athlete that has early warning when known testers are in town.

Certain parts of Florida for instance, they have people at the airports who whenever known testers are spotted arriving will make calls to training centres, gyms, and then there's quick ladder calls and within no time at all everyone knows they are in town.

(pretty much every major town that hosts a lot of athletes has some sort of warning system, for instance Girona is massively popular with cyclists.. as soon as testers turn up at one place, the calls go out to everybody in the town letting them know, Tenerife is another one.)

Its not just the weather that makes Florida such a popular spot for all kinds of athletes, from track to tennis players, to footballers.. (that and the sheer wealth of anti aging clinics).




Remember the Cyborg situation in Thailand where teh hotel caused a huge fuss and called the police.. Cyborg was tested just fine, but that wasnt for Cyborg's benefit. That was to let every athlete in the area know testers were in town.. if you are glowing, duck out and take a missed test.

Holy shit

 

[SPB]

You're going to the Congo instead? Yea, that seems a lot better.

Realistically, if you don't want to be tested for months, in a predictable manner, it's not going to happen. You can game it slightly by being in declared, but inaccessible areas, and by burning whereabouts failures if need be.

Or you could simply stay home and "retire" for a few months.

You dummies seem to think PEDs taken for a very short time are going to help. No. You have to do multiple cycles over a long period to get the benefits. Doing one cycle while living somewhere off the grid isn't doing you any good at all.

 

[seeyouaunty]

Or you could simply stay home and "retire" for a few months.

You dummies seem to think PEDs taken for a very short time are going to help. No. You have to do multiple cycles over a long period to get the benefits. Doing one cycle while living somewhere off the grid isn't doing you any good at all.

If you 'retire', USADA requires you to be in the testing pool for at least 4 months before you can fight again. Unless your name is Bork Lesnar lol

 

[Franc Mittelo]

??? ..let me get this straight..you would have super strong people on roids hitting people in the face rattling there brain..and this okay to you..
But running faster on a track becuase of drugs is wrong?..
Thats fucked...just saying

First, steroids don't make anybody super strong. Second, steroids don't work in fighting, because even if the opponent is a little stronger than you, you can neutralize that discrepancy with better skills.

The benefits of steroids are massively overrated, and not based on any scientific evidence.

 

[Brit_Brawler]

Usada knows no bounds usada will go to hell and back. Usada will leave no turn unstoned.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

First, steroids don't make anybody super strong. Second, steroids don't work in fighting, because even if the opponent is a little stronger than you, you can neutralize that discrepancy with better skills.

The benefits of steroids are massively overrated, and not based on any scientific evidence.

I had this argument on here before in which i agree to some degree that steroids doesn't improve your technique or skill it does however vastly improve every other aspect of fighting..like strength, speed, cardio, longevity, agression,recovery from innuries and training pain allowing you to train more..which all play a huge factor in fighting...

Steroids should be illegal in all sports especially ones that have combative interaction with other humans..

 

[SPB]

Oh, perfectly real. There are plenty of places where you can stay as an athlete that has early warning when known testers are in town.

Certain parts of Florida for instance, they have people at the airports who whenever known testers are spotted arriving will make calls to training centres, gyms, and then there's quick ladder calls and within no time at all everyone knows they are in town.

What would be the purpose of this? USADA and the UFC already know you are there from your declaration. Running from a test will get you suspended/banned. So you get a call that says Mr. Tester just got off a plane. What is your benefit? What are you going to do about it?

Think about it.

 

[seeyouaunty]

What would be the purpose of this? USADA and the UFC already know you are there from your declaration. Running from a test will get you suspended/banned. So you get a call that says Mr. Tester just got off a plane. What is your benefit? What are you going to do about it?

Think about it.

USADA allows up to 2 'whereabouts failures' per year before issuing an anti-doping violation: https://www.usada.org/testing/whereabouts/
With a lot of the very quick acting PED's a 12 - 24 hour window where an athete can go into hiding can be the difference between making money and losing your career. Refer to JJ allegedly hiding under Jacksons cage or Serena Williams locking herself in a panic room when the drug testers knocked on her door at 6am.

 

[dim_]

What would be the purpose of this? USADA and the UFC already know you are there from your declaration. Running from a test will get you suspended/banned. So you get a call that says Mr. Tester just got off a plane. What is your benefit? What are you going to do about it?

Think about it.

You are allowed three missed tests in any 12 month period.

If you are borderline, being tipped off can mean you can cleanse quick. You be surprised how much you can flush through in a couple of hours of hydrating. Run an iv, drink a shit load of water and then if the testers do show up hope you've done enough

If you are glowing, then go stay out of sight, and when they phone you say you are two hundred miles away seeing a Sick relative.. You get one strike, you can afford another one

 

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USADA allows up to 2 'whereabouts failures' per year before issuing an anti-doping violation: https://www.usada.org/testing/whereabouts/
With a lot of the very quick acting PED's a 12 - 24 hour window where an athete can go into hiding can be the difference between making money and losing your career. Refer to JJ allegedly hiding under Jacksons cage or Serena Williams locking herself in a panic room when the drug testers knocked on her door at 6am.

Exactly. Burn a life if you need to.

For a lot of things, if you've microdosed late at night even sixty minute warning is enough to avoid a positive.

You can get rid of that first piss of the day that is full of everything from overnight, then drink like crazy and try and get another two pees out before they show up.



Bear in mind as well most sports have a set one hour window.

So say your window is 0600-0700

You get a warning call at 0530

Start flushing then, ignore the doorbell, leave the lights off and flush like a bastard till about five to seven, then answer the door and say you were sleeping.

The testers have to wait for your full window