A-Level Athlete Anders.

[rjmbrd]

No he didn't, not any more than Overeem, Wonderboy, Fedor, and Cro Cop "casually walked into the sport." Brock (and Jones) had long and illustrious combat sports careers prior to entering MMA.

Jon Jones didn't start wrestling until high school, and his 'long and illustrious' combat sports career is wrestling for two years in Junior College.

This is too stupid to even correct further.

 

[HaulParris]

Fight was super close, i think that in the USA Anders could have won it

True. Neither guy dominated, I gave Anders rounds 3 and 4, and can see giving him another.

 

[The Bard]

Jon Jones didn't start wrestling until high school, and his 'long and illustrious' combat sports career is wrestling for two years in Junior College.

This is too stupid to even correct further.

He was a JuCo national champ. That's a very high level in wrestling.

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/5058113-looking-back-on-jon-jones-wrestling-career

 

[rjmbrd]

He was a JuCo national champ. That's a very high level in wrestling.

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/5058113-looking-back-on-jon-jones-wrestling-career

No it is not. It's literally the bottom of the food chain. I really don't understand why you would post on a topic you don't have a baseline knowledge in, as opposed to just asking one of the many posters here who wrestled.

Amateur wrestling ranks roughly like this:

1) Olympic team
2) US team
3) Division I
4) Division II
5) Division III
6) NAIA
6) NJCAA

Jon Jones did not have a 'long career in combat sports' prior to joining MMA.

He wrestled for 3 years of High School and 2 years of the lowest level collegiate wrestling that exists.

Jones was successful in wrestling for the same reason he ran roughshod over MMA - he is an elite athlete, and that is an absolute rarity in 205/265.

Elite athletes that size will attempt to enter other professional sports before MMA, because the starting pay is literally 15k to get your head punched in.

This is common sense and shouldn't need to be explained.

 

[legkicktko]

Been a Machida fan since day 1 but how can he NOT look fresh when he didn’t do anything the whole fight?

 

[The Bard]

No it is not. It's literally the bottom of the food chain. I really don't understand why you would post on a topic you don't have a baseline knowledge in, as opposed to just asking one of the many posters here who wrestled.

Amateur wrestling ranks roughly like this:

1) Olympic team
2) US team
3) Division I
4) Division II
5) Division III
6) NAIA
6) NJCAA

Jon Jones did not have a 'long career in combat sports' prior to joining MMA.

He wrestled for 3 years of High School and 2 years of the lowest level collegiate wrestling that exists.

Jones was successful in wrestling for the same reason he ran roughshod over MMA - he is an elite athlete, and that is an absolute rarity in 205/265.

Elite athletes that size will attempt to enter other professional sports before MMA, because the starting pay is literally 15k to get your head punched in.

This is common sense and shouldn't need to be explained.

The best JuCo wrestlers are very good. Cain V. wrestled at the same JuCo as Bones. I'm not talking about average JuCo guys.

 

[rjmbrd]

The best JuCo wrestlers are very good. Cain V. wrestled at the same JuCo as Bones. I'm not talking about average JuCo guys.

You made two claims in your statement:

1) Jones entered MMA with 'years of high level combat experience'

2) Asserting that JuCo is high level amateur wrestling

Both are categorically incorrect.

Jones didn't start wrestling until his sophomore year of high school, then the entirety of his collegiate experience is two years of JuCo, which is pointedly, the lowest level of amateur wrestling for an adult.

Jon, like his brothers, is an elite athlete.

Elite athletes are SO RARE in MMA in the upper weight divisions, his brothers are just players in the NFL, where we call Jon, literally - the greatest of all time.

Thats how rare an elite athlete is in MMA for men that size. The NFL is completely comprised of Jon Jones' caliber.

 

[The Bard]

You made two claims in your statement:

1) Jones entered MMA with 'years of high level combat experience'

2) Asserting that JuCo is high level amateur wrestling

Both are categorically incorrect.

Jones didn't start wrestling until his sophomore year of high school, then the entirety of his collegiate experience is two years of JuCo, which is pointedly, the lowest level of amateur wrestling for an adult.

Jon, like his brothers, is an elite athlete.

Elite athletes are SO RARE in MMA in the upper weight divisions, his brothers are just players in the NFL, where we call Jon, literally - the greatest of all time.

Thats how rare an elite athlete is in MMA for men that size. The NFL is completely comprised of Jon Jones' caliber.

Jones had several years of high level combat experience, wrestling at the highest levels of JuCo wrestling and upstate NY HS wrestling.

Not that hard to figure out.

You're engaging in the fallacy of equating high level JuCo wrestling with mediocre JuCo wrestling. It's not hard to be a JuCo wrestler. It is extremely hard, however, to be one of the best JuCo wrestlers.

Not that hard to figure out.

Did you know that high school football is a lower level of competition than Division III football? Did you also know that the best HS football players are better and more athletic and have more potential than the best Division III football players?

Not that hard to figure out.

Did you know that European pro basketball is a higher level of competition than U.S. middle-school basketball? Did you also know that the best U.S. middle-school basketball players are more athletic and have higher potential than the best Euro pro BB players?

Not that hard to figure out.

Friendly advice: If you spent as much time thinking as you did attempting to insult others' intelligence, you might not be an idiot.

 

[rjmbrd]

Jones had several years of high level combat experience, wrestling at the highest levels of JuCo wrestling and upstate NY HS wrestling.

Not that hard to figure out.

You're engaging in the fallacy of equating high level JuCo wrestling with mediocre JuCo wrestling. It's not hard to be a JuCo wrestler. It is extremely hard, however, to be one of the best JuCo wrestlers.

Not that hard to figure out.

Did you know that high school football is a lower level of competition than Division III football? Did you also know that the best HS football players are better and more athletic and have more potential than the best Division III football players?

Not that hard to figure out.

Did you know that European pro basketball is a higher level of competition than U.S. middle-school basketball? Did you also know that the best U.S. middle-school basketball players are more athletic and have higher potential than the best Euro pro BB players?

Not that hard to figure out.

Friendly advice: If you spent as much time thinking as you did attempting to insult others' intelligence, you might not be an idiot.

You are categorically wrong about your understanding of amateur wrestling.

No one with even a baseline knowledge of amateur wrestling would call JuCo 'high level' and they most certainly would not describe two years of JuCo wrestling as 'high level combat experience.'

This is wrong at face value. What you should have done is simply ask some of the wrestlers here to give you a better understanding of what that experience means, so you could contextualize it.

We're aren't talking about Jon Jones' potential. Your high school football analogy is literally making my point. Jon wasn't successful because he had 'high level experience' because he did not. He had the best potential though.

Thats why someone who's never had an MMA fight like Jones could walk into the sport and become the youngest champion running roughshod over experienced fighters. Thats how rare it is for us to get an A-level athlete.

It was fun doing another lap around ding-dong avenue with you. Cheers.

 

[Claude]

lol @ "A-level athlete" still being a thing.

Too many football fans here.

I might need to make a thread to school them and end with all that nonsense.

 

[The Bard]

No one with even a baseline knowledge of amateur wrestling would call JuCo 'high level' and they most certainly would not describe two years of JuCo wrestling as 'high level combat experience.'

Well, that's where we disagree. Wrestling against other guys at the top of the JuCo heap is high level experience. That's why those guys often go on to transfer and then place at NCAA meets.

 

[rjmbrd]

Well, that's where we disagree. Wrestling against other guys at the top of the JuCo heap is high level experience. That's why those guys often go on to transfer and then place at NCAA meets.

Two years of JuCo wrestling, including wrestling in the finals, is not "years of high level combat experience."

It is flat out intellectually dishonest to describe it that way.

We're now playing a game called 'stupid or liar.'

 

[Killuminati0947]

By Sherdog logic shouldn’t he have thrown old man Machida around like a rag doll and mauled him within the first minute?

There’s only one ders