7 years of complaining and Republicans can't come up with a better plan?how bad is Obamacare then?

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Shouldn't the fact that the Republicans have been bitching for 7 years non stop about Obamacare being a disaster and when they get in power can't come up with a better plan tell you maybe Obama care wasn't that bad to begin with?

The American Healthcare system is completely fucked and with what Americans pay taxes everyone should be covered for everything but that is never going to happen. Maybe, just maybe...Obamacare wasnt that bad for what the elite would allow to happen.
 
Don't expect democrats or republicans to fix a nation of fat unhealthy people and the strain of diabetes, heart disease and arthritis caused on healthcare.
 
They didn't understand how complicated healthcare was, you see. Nobody did, apparently.
 
AndrewSUFC said:
They didn't understand how complicated healthcare was, you see. Nobody did, apparently.
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Americas health problems should not be blamed on politics or expected to be fixed by Obama or Trump.

I hate the way both parties blame each other on this issue...pathetic.
 
AndrewSUFC said:
They didn't understand how complicated healthcare was, you see. Nobody did, apparently.
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Wait, you mean setting up a healthcare system that will offer everyone affordable basic care is complicated?

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Actually, it doesn't have to be. Only is because our government is owned by insurance corporations and the wealthy.

If I were allowed to use single payer and to raise taxes on people making over $5 million a year, I could get this done on a napkin.
 
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They promised a lot of shit that was unrealistic but their voters would love the sound of.
 
uh you're under the ABSURD false impression that they want to fix it, and help those that need it most (the poor and other non keep earners mainly the elderly)

That's where everyone is f'd up, they extrapolate policy implementation that is 100% against the history of that party's platform on the social safety net

I thought that's why many of us ARE members of the GOP, we prefer those that earn keep
 
I guess on the brightside, if the ahca passes we'll have more open lanes on freeways.
 
Let's just socialize healthcare. We can pay for it with super high taxes on unhealthy food, cigarettes and tobacco. The ACA is bad because it pushes the working class/everyday citizen and is "supposed" to help poor people without full time jobs.

The Ryan plan is just as bad as ACA.
 
Mainez said:
I guess on the brightside, if the ahca passes we'll have more open lanes on freeways.
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And more people sleeping under the bridges.

Blackened said:
Let's just socialize healthcare. We can pay for it with super high taxes on unhealthy food, cigarettes and tobacco. The ACA is bad because it pushes the working class/everyday citizen and is "supposed" to help poor people without full time jobs.

The Ryan plan is just as bad as ACA.
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Wait... we agree?!

Hallelujah!

(You didn't forget to add a sentence saying "For white people," did you?)
 
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luckyshot said:
You've got a point here for sure.
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The amount of MRI's, X-Rays and knee and hip replacements due to Americas obesity is a health care epidemic alone.

That's not even including every medical bill for all the diabetes and heart disease due to obesity.
 
Blackened said:
Let's just socialize healthcare. We can pay for it with super high taxes on unhealthy food, cigarettes and tobacco. The ACA is bad because it pushes the working class/everyday citizen and is "supposed" to help poor people without full time jobs.

The Ryan plan is just as bad as ACA.
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luckyshot said:
And more people sleeping under the bridges.
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Don't worry. The far right is about to start pushing socialism. Just got word from people involved in the movement. Said that ACA and Ryan care is discriminating against people with full time jobs to give to people that don't work and in America this disproportionately negatively affects white people.
 
Blackened said:
Don't worry. The far right is about to start pushing socialism. Just got word from people involved in the movement. Said that ACA and Ryan care is discriminating against people with full time jobs to give to people that don't work and in America this disproportionately negatively affects white people.
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Shit. Where do I get my name tag?
 
luckyshot said:
Wait, you mean setting up a healthcare system that will offer everyone affordable basic care is complicated?


Actually, it doesn't have to be. Only is because our government is owned by insurance corporations and the wealthy. If I were allowed single payer and to raise taxes on people making over $5 million a year, I could get this done on a napkin.
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The medical and insurance lobby - which reenforce each other to the point they might as well be one in the same - can look at single payer in other countries and agree that they want absolutely none of that. This lobby and single payer cannot coexist because the former prevents the latter.

On one hand I was surprised how quickly Obama rolled over on single payer once elected. On the other hand, I wasn't that surprised.

For Trump, I hope that he removes the mandate and / or the tax / penalty / reporting requirement. This would break the back of the ACA and I think we would see the establishment R's show their allegiance to the lobby money.
 
It's impossible to simply repeal or even clearly diminish a socialist safety net program millions depend on after its been implemented. It will just assume increasingly twisted forms under each administration and under prolonged exposure to lobbyists. You were warned and you wanted it rushed into law anyway cuz hope n change and wildly, hilariously inaccurate tales of how perfect it is in Europe.

I am not opposed to the idea of basic universal health care but the uninsured penalty under obama and the shopper fee under trump aren't dramatically apart in crudeness, among other things. It was slapped together and rolled out terribly initially and factoring in the rot and increased complexity inherent to these programs over time that's a very bad, exponential thing.

I would personally prefer if Trump just went hands-off. It's shit, it's going to be shit, the only way to fix it would be literal replacement rather than superficial tweaking, and that isn't even in the cards. The net outcome of AHCA will be stapling his name to a problem he didn't cause.
 
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Well, the obama admin threw together a half assed health care plan for reasons of political legacy and now people are afraid of losing it, even faced with the knowledge that it will collapse in a few years anyway.

There is obviously some brand loyalty here though. IMO, 95% of the pissing going on back and forth is because one plan has Obama's name on it and one has Trump's.

Pretty much whats going to happen is business as usual. More handouts for the deadbeats, middle class will take it up the ass and the rich will be unphased. Thanks democrats.
 
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