50-0: The Best Ever

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  1. 10000 Days Green Belt

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    Floyd Mayweather
    50-0 (27 KO)

    Top PPV draw
    11 time champion
    5 divisions

    Notable wins: Manny Pacquiao, Canelo Alvarez, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Oscar Dela Hoya, Zab Judah, Arturo Gatti, Jose Luis Castillo, Diego Corrales, Genaro Hernandez, among others.

    Impressive resume, if you ask me. Plus, almost flawless performances on a flawless record. What should be the arguments on why Floyd shouldn't be the GOAT?
     
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  2. XThe GreatestX Black Belt

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    Meh...he beat conor pretty easy

    But i dont have him in my top ten p4p.

    Top 15-20ish though probably

    I could go thru some problems with his resume that keep him out of my top ten but he still was an amazing fighter and one of the greatest ever.

    Im not sure how anyone can say hes number 1 with a straight face in all honesty
     
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  3. Strange King Strange Music

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    Hes top 5 easily.

    spence was on last night had him in his top 5
    bhop had him top 3
    oscar when he was on floyds good side labeled him top 10 and a legend. That was before the canelo and pac win
    paulie has him number 1 of all time

    i have him number 1.

    as time goes on he will be more and more respected
     
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  4. Seano Hands of bone

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    I think thats tough to support. He's top 5, pretty easy at that.
     
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  5. Blazeblack In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king

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    The best ever? Probably not, but even old Bert would have had to suck it up and at least put him in his top ten.
     
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    Top 5?
    Hmmm

    Can we agree he doesn't have a better resume than

    Srr
    Ali
    Armstrong
    ?

    After that i think his resume is clearly below

    Ezzard
    Langford
    Greb ( yeah i know there is not footage on him but the fighters he has beaten do have footage on them....) but i guess you can maybe strike him off if you wanted
    Leonard
    Wilde
    Gans


    So thats 9 for me.

    After than between 10-20 its kinda subjective
     
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    He doesn't have a career defining win. He doesn't have a win over a prime ATG. That's the mark, and a big one, againts him.

    The JMM fight was the closest, but JMM was moving up in weight.

    He doesn't have a prime Hearns, Duran, or Benitez level win on his CV like say SRL. Or a prime Morales, MAB or Cotto level win even like Pacquiao.

    Doesn't mean he's not top 10, but I think it keeps him well short of #1.
     
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    I've never been a Mayweather fan but he did beat the best of his time and with the way he fights, you can see him beating any welter weight at any time.

    On the other side though, he beat Sugar Shane when he was in his late 30's. Cotto who Pacquiao and Mayweather both avoided until after he got plastered by Margarito, btw, yes they both avoided Cotto, it was not a weight class issue.

    He beat JMM after his prime, and the same goes for Pacquiao, he should of fought Manny 3 years earlier.

    Tough call, but he definitely should be a top 10.
     
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    No balls.
     
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    What happens to his standing if Canelo beats Golovkin?
     
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    Canelos career elevates floyds career
     
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  12. Seano Hands of bone

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    eh, he accomplished more than most of the guys on that list.

    See Leonard is an example of name notoriety outweighing actual accomplishment. Yeah, yeah. Hearns. Duran. Hagler. Oh my. Great wins. But how about the fact he lost to Duran? how about the fact that Floyd was the best P4P in the world at a point in his career when Leonard was a stepping stone in his?

    Ezzard Charles? Charles did more than Floyd? Come on now.

    I don't like fighters like Gans and Langford being part of modern all time lists. The sport was pretty much pro wrestling back then. Ever notice how often those guys fought opponents 3 times, splitting the first two? If you see that on a fighter's record from that era, its a red flag.

    Floyd has topped the P4P ranks for over a decade in the sport. Conor was like 1 of 3 or 4 guys he's fought in like 20 years that wasn't a former world champion and the first guy who wasn't ranked in the top 10 since he fought Hernandez.

    Everyone you mentioned lost to someone he shouldn't have too. Why doesn't that matter when you're looking at the all time picture?
     
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    Hmm. Fair points. But that last little bit about holding losses against guys.. I do.

    However my issue is their wins are in most cases more impressive than floyds at least imo.

    And i actually think leonard is ahead of floyd pretty clear. But i suppose its all opinioN

    I think its fair to put charles ahead of floyd actually

    And i have no problem putting gans or langford in there
     
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    I remember many years ago 3 separate Pacman fans used to go at me constantly because I said putting Pac in the top ten all time was so stupid that if you whispered it to unborn babies they would instantly get learning disabilities.

    Now while I realize what I said was pretty messed up the fact is all 3 of those guys disappeared after the Marquez destruction and Pac just lost to a kangaroo who teaches elementary school while Floyd is seriously being talked about in the top 15 and above.

    Time heals and wounds and wounds all heels.
     
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    Julio Cesar Chavez went 89-0. Mayweather didn't give a shit about 50-0 he cared more about that 300 million dollar paycheck.

    The best boxer ever is Bob Fitzsimmions... http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/010552
     
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  16. mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

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    really is hard for me to say for the same reason it's hard to rate any great fighter today, just a dearth of competition. I don't know what to do with roy, Floyd, the k bros, maybe I will someday but it's obvious they didn't have to deal with much of the same craft that the older fighters did.
     
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  17. mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

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    that's right and hopefully nothing like that happens with a good hungry fighter, whoever is around had to be salivating watching him miss punches and looking sloppy.
     
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    lol How? Chain logic doesn't work, and Canelo has improved as a fighter since then.
     
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    Floyd is the greatest defensive fighter of all time. He's somewhere in the top five greatest of all time as well. But he is not the GOAT and he never will be.
     
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    Well, for one, Willie Pep was pretty goddamn good. Pernell Whitaker was really good too. Benny Leonard had great defense, too. Floyd's style aged well, but that doesn't mean his defense was better when we talk about guys at their best. We can't say "all time" and then neglect fighters from other times. If you were to say that you are considering all time then you actually aren't; you'd fail to appreciate the fighters of the past.
     
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