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i am shocked an MSNBC host is a democrat now
"44 years a Republican, 1 year an Independent, today I'm joining the Democratic Party"
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I am a life long Democrat considering switching to the Libertarian Party. Neither party seems to want to respect the rights of individuals to pursue their dreams. The Democrats interfere with economic rights and the Republicans want to reinstitute the mass incarceration policies which have failed so badly and prosecute people for things which are no one else's business. We need to step back and rethink a lot of things. We need to go back to the Bill of Rights and the dream of the Founding Fathers that we would create something truly different here which would allow people to pursue their dreams free of government meddling.
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Independent and the middle ground is the safe place for smarter folks these days
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I know what you mean. IMO Libertarianism has some good ideas and in theory it would be great. However, with our current population and issues, I feel it just isn't viable. Also, they don't have strong uniting leadership, so it's a very fragmented movement. All of the Libertarians I know have a different interpretation and they are all full of it in some way.
In a nutshell- Libertarian ideas=OK, Libertarian Party= not so much.
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Never heard of him.
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Hate and paranoia have become an ideological principle in the GOP. The common view is the poor are thieves and stealing taxpayer's money. They point to social programs as having failed to end poverty. Social programs are not designed to end poverty. They are designed to keep you alive while an individual tries to find another pathway in life.
Our social programs are ideally designed to keep you alive while you strive to pull yourself up and out of your poverty. The problem though is there is very little incentive to do so if you can remain indefinitely on federal and local programs and in many places live financially better than if you worked a "normal" job earning a "living wage". Our current social programs do more to ingrain a habit of dependence than one of temporary assistance.
They hate education. Their steadfast crusade to end public education, to deny it money is an attack on our future. I went to public schools, including a public university. I received a good education, from dedicated teachers and professors. That should be preserved and not torn to shreds.
There is no problem per se with public, private or charter schools when the curriculum is provided in an even handed, politically neutral manner by professionals more dedicated to the pure act of education rather than promulgating their own particular ideologies and interpretations of their subjects.
They are trade protectionists and isolationists. This is the final betrayal of Ronald Reagan.
When a country increasingly moves manufacturing outside it's borders, increasingly imports foreign workers at the expense of it citizenry, invests more military and financial effort into foreign concerns than within its own borders, continues to enter into and uphold pacts and agreements that impose an inequitable burden or benefit on the nation compared to other nations then yes, maybe a bit more protectionism and isolationism is in the best interest of the citizenry till appropriate beneficial changes can be implemented.
They blame the victims. In fact, they have a false victimhood that they are actually the victims of the poor. They point to a mother on food stamps with an iPhone in her hand as "evidence" of theft. Did they ever stop to think that maybe a family member in better circumstances gave her that iPhone?
When taxes are increased to pay for social welfare programs for an increasing populous disinclined to use such programs as the stepping stone to true financial independence as intended then yes, that setups up a system of financial victimhood on those footing the bill. That inevitably leads to increasing numbers of consumers compared to produces as the resources of the producers are spread thinner and thinner to support these multiplying and increasing initiatives, and in time and if left unchecked, dragging them down to consumer levels themselves.
With competition, which the GOP claims is a very conservative idea, the prices on smartphones have dropped dramatically along with the cost of service. Why shouldn't a poor person have access to the rest of the world? Their view that I've read a hundred times if I have read it once. The resentment of the poor only continues the poverty and despair of the poor.
If a "poor" person prioritizes a smartphone over food, shelter or financial frugality as part of a competent plan towards being debt free, increasing savings, etc. then they have a bigger problem than merely being unable to access the rest of the world, which by the way, is still possible through a variety of means without requiring access to a smartphone. There is a problem if the statement is "It's unfair that he or she has that and I do not" rather than "What do I personally need to do to achieve that for myself?".
The GOP hates the poor. They are only interested in self. Everything with the GOP today is "I." There is no "we" in their dialogue. In the GOP rant about the poor, they go out of their way to admonish the poor for being poor. They treat them without dignity and try to destroy all hope for the poor.
That, is not the sole domain of the GOP or conservatives in general. Given that much of middle America, you know...the fly over states, can reasonably be considered poor and yes, uneducated, as well conservative or at least independent, comments by Democratic politicians and celebrities regarding them show a similar if not higher level of disregard for their dignity or concerns. a disregard that is echoed in most popular media and by significant numbers of professors and teachers that profess to Democrats, Liberals and Progressives.
The GOP is xenophobic. The day we lose the melting pot is the day we lose America. I wrote about that yesterday which you can read by clicking here.
There is no issue with adding new ingredients to a dish, nor with exploring entirely new dishes altogether to make ones national diet as well rounded as possible. But much like cooking, one thing we should all be able to agree on is utilizing the best ingredients when and were possible. best would be a locally sourced organic farmer's market selection of ideas and products provided by local farmers and suppliers. However, we know that some ingredients are simply unavailable, produced only outside our borders or simply better grown or produced in by sources outside our borders. What our current immigration system is analogous to is cooking with GMO produce with minimal to no oversight on quality control and often sourced from producers with a track record of safety and health violation. Throw in growing methods incompatible with our organic farmer's market ethos and you have the current level of paranoia and outrage regarding certain producers, products and quality of said.
To put in simpler terms. Islam is the tomato of the Middle East. A pervasive ingredient used in a number of dishes around the world. In 99% of cases, not an issue in regards to its theoretical ability to meld with most dishes if used properly by a competent cook. However, radical Islam is the Listeria of Islam. If an outbreak occurs, it's not only reasonable but prudent to be suspect of similar if not all produce from that supplier. In fact, its wise to put that producer to higher levels of scrutiny regarding the quality of its produce. If said producer continues to be the source of Listeria outbreaks one would be foolish to continue importing or buying produce from them till quality control can ensure appropriate safety measures have not only been enacted, but that no more outbreaks have been reported for a specified length of time. One must also be cautious of that producers product contaminating other produce with Listeria thus causing an even greater outbreak of sickness and potential death.
Education is the key to ending poverty. See my comment above about the GOP views on education.
Agreed, but education by itself is not enough. Education coupled with a strong work ethic, a spirit of self-reliance, willpower to push through struggle and real unbiased opportunities to make use of such are the key.
The GOP is overtly racist and unapologetic for it. They can talk about how much they love Israel but that doesn't stop them from being anti-semitic. They love the Jews "over there," but the Jews under their very noses? Not so much. This week, I have been told I am awhich is not a term of endearment and told there is an oven with my name on it. I belong in an oven because I don't agree with conservatives. That sums up today's GOP.
The DNC are overtly racist and elitist and are unapologetic about it as well, as are many of the current Liberal fringe movements.
When men are told to step aside, sit down, be quite...
When women are told to step aside, sit down, be quite...
When Whites are told to step aside, sit down, be quite...
When heterosexuals are told to step aside, sit down, be quite...
When Christians are told to step aside, sit down, be quite...
In the past two years alone, we have had prominent spokespersons for not only the DNC but also for popular Liberal movements tell more citizens to step aside, sit down, and be quite from various religions, ethnic groups, ideologies, financial and education demographics, genders, sexualities, etc... More so than in any previous year I can personally remember
We have seen our social media platforms and popular culture overtaken with this "message". We have seen increasing numbers of our sports and entertainment figures taking on this "message" with little to no sense of irony or self-reflection.
When anyone dares to question or suggests caution with this they are bullied, threatened, financially and socially ruined and all the other varied means society has to show its displeasure with someone that moves against the flow of social and intellectual orthodoxy.
While I believe it is helpful to point out errors in need of correction how about before you take me or mine to task for ours you get your own houses in order to lead by example rather than pontificate and demonize from a false sense of righteousness.
This is cute considering the Democrats hate everyone to the point they are literally ripping each other apart. That's why I'm not as worried that those freaks will actually succeed in bringing back their socialist killing fields. They can't stand together. They Hate white men, white women, Asian men, and more people everyday. They hate speech, they hate comedians who make jokes they don't like. They are children throwing temper tantrums and they will throw each other under the bus at a moments notice. They are filth contaminating society.
I mean half those idiots think Bernie could have won. Remember why he never got the chance to run against Trump? Oh yea the Democrats rigged the election against him.
I'm just quoting this because seeing how Republicans are attacked for hating just makes me annoyed and I thought Id add to it.
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Altogether too much finger pointing on both sides of the political and ideological divide and not nearly enough honest self reflection.
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http://www.chicagonow.com/politics-...endent-today-im-joining-the-democratic-party/
"My Mother's family helped organize the GOP in Illinois. They were opposed to one human being owning another human being as chattel. They found slavery morally repugnant and were zealots in advocating its demise. My family has been GOP blue-blood.
That is how far back my roots run in the GOP. I have no roots in the Democratic Party. However, it is time for me to lay some down.
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Why I left the GOP:
Hate and paranoia have become an ideological principle in the GOP. The common view is the poor are thieves and stealing taxpayer's money. They point to social programs as having failed to end poverty. Social programs are not designed to end poverty. They are designed to keep you alive while an individual tries to find another pathway in life.
They hate education. Their steadfast crusade to end public education, to deny it money is an attack on our future. I went to public schools, including a public university. I received a good education, from dedicated teachers and professors. That should be preserved and not torn to shreds.
They are trade protectionists and isolationists. This is the final betrayal of Ronald Reagan.
They blame the victims. In fact, they have a false victimhood that they are actually the victims of the poor. They point to a mother on food stamps with an iPhone in her hand as "evidence" of theft. Did they ever stop to think that maybe a family member in better circumstances gave her that iPhone?
With competition, which the GOP claims is a very conservative idea, the prices on smartphones have dropped dramatically along with the cost of service. Why shouldn't a poor person have access to the rest of the world? Their view that I've read a hundred times if I have read it once. The resentment of the poor only continues the poverty and despair of the poor.
The GOP hates the poor. They are only interested in self. Everything with the GOP today is "I." There is no "we" in their dialogue. In the GOP rant about the poor, they go out of their way to admonish the poor for being poor. They treat them without dignity and try to destroy all hope for the poor.
The GOP is xenophobic. The day we lose the melting pot is the day we lose America. I wrote about that yesterday which you can read by clicking here.
Education is the key to ending poverty. See my comment above about the GOP views on education.
The GOP is overtly racist and unapologetic for it. They can talk about how much they love Israel but that doesn't stop them from being anti-semitic. They love the Jews "over there," but the Jews under their very noses? Not so much. This week, I have been told I am a
Why I'm joining the Democratic Party:
I am opposed to racism. I abhor racism, bigotry, and antisemitism. It is not "just an opinion" by "average citizens." It is a vile practice that is to be stood against whenever, and wherever it happens. The GOP is giving safe haven to the racists who flocked to the party after President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act. Based on a principle of human dignity, the Democratic Party said goodbye to the racists and they ran into the outstretched arms of the GOP.
The Democratic Party may not agree, but they listen. The far left is rigid and dogmatic but the average Democrat may not agree with you but they will listen to what you have to say. I am pro business, and so is the Democratic Party. It is now the home of Free Trade. The GOP is now the home of trade protectionism.
The Democratic Party supports collective bargaining. I can't say I am in love with Unions, I am not in love with them. However, I am in love with the Constitution of the USA and collective bargaining is a right under the First Amendment of the Constitution. I support that right for the same reason I support the right to own a firearm under the Second Amendment of the Constitution. If we find a way of end running any Amendment then we have just made the Constitution a meaningless document.
The Democratic Party believes everyone is entitled to dignity. The GOP is wrong on Healthcare along with nearly all social issues. Their proposals strip the poor, the elderly, and minorities of basic human dignity.
This was not an easy step. In the 80s, I was an advocate of trickle- down economics as the solution to our economic ills. It is hard to admitI was wrong. The theory sounds nice, but as evidence has shown, it is a myth. Educated Republicans understand income distribution is out of whack and are seeking ways of correcting the ill. They are running up against the rank ignorance brought into the party and exploited by the party."
Feel free to hate away and prove this guy's point.
Who is the defacto modern day founder then? (Especially since this time they steered markedly down a different path from FDR and even JFK and maintained that path) And there are numerous sources that suggest he said this. It's an immensely damaging statement to the DNC brand thus there are those that try and spread doubt about its validity.
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I did stand up comedy in front of a group of libertarians who were in DC for some meeting. I said "I agree with you 100% that marijuana should be legalized. But I disagree with the idea that traffic lights and stop signs should be abolished..............especially if marijuana is legalized." I got a huge laugh. We have to keep certain government regulation - traffic laws, federal deposit insurance, food and drug laws (but they could be made more reasonable), child labor laws, etc. But there is a ton of crap we could get rid of and we absolutely have to roll back the out-of-control criminal "justice" system and ridiculous zoning restrictions on property rights.
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Sounds like me after Bush Cheney lied us into a quagmire in the Middle East after 911 fractured the American psyche
You will be disappointed
The Dems don't fight and are essentially a corrupt group of hypocrites who sold out under Clinton and haven't looked back
You're reasons for leaving the GOP are valid, however.
You will be disappointed
The Dems don't fight and are essentially a corrupt group of hypocrites who sold out under Clinton and haven't looked back
You're reasons for leaving the GOP are valid, however.
