Is Jon Jones beating his opponents at LHW with his skill or his size?

[VIPERdude]

Could he just be that lucky fighter with the frame that allows him to make LHW when he should have been a HW all along? Is Jon Jones really beating his opponents at LHW with his skills or his size?

Lets be honest, the guy is an unbelievable talent. However, that being said he beats smaller men up. The guy who gave him a strict test was DC (an ex HW) and the guy that gave him his toughest test, Gus, matched him in size and length.

For instance imagine "IF" JDS or Cain's body allowed them to comfortably make LHW they would be very dominant LHW fighters as well. No...they would not be as flashy as Jon Jones...nor have such an impressive skill set but I feel could clean out the division just as Jon has. I like Jon but in my opinion the truth Behind his Success relys on his size more so than his skill. Nobody can compete with his 84.5″ reach alone at LHW.

I feel many will be surprised at how "normal" he will look if he decides to go to heavyweight as opposed to superior.

 

[BigMuffler]

Skill because other similarly long guys have not been nearly as dominant at LHW like Overeem and Diabete. OSP is 1 inch shorter and is only good not great. Or Struve at HW, Luke Barnatt at MW etc.

Gus is skilled too.

 

[gazbones]

Pretty sure it's skill, since he's smaller than all of his opponents bar Machida. Tossed around 6'4 Bonnar at 20 years old like he's his son, murdered current One HW Champ Brandon Vera, destroyed former HW Vladmir Matyushenko and Jake O Brien, beat 6'5.5 Gus while not training properly. But ye he's still not proven v guys his size!

 

[neil_totally]

Both.
He's VERY skilled, and particularly well skilled in using his horrifically long limbs.

 

[cobrinski]

dick skillz

 

[pridefc33]

Both

 

[UL]

Both.

And as long he can make the 205 weight limit

It's fine.

 

[true_fan]

This is not fighter bashing but facts: eye pokes check, long reach check, running away when getting hit check, masking agents check, size over your foes check, once he fought Gus hospital check= not a true champ, just a cheating one=truth=Jones' fans = no morals check/ end of thread check!!!

 

[MyEnglishIsPeperoni]

both ... is this question even real? lol

 

[Mikey Palangio]

Stefan Struve is not a champ, Nate Diaz is not a champ, Neil Magny is not a champ and many more.

 

[Reach4theSky]

He's skilled at using his size...

 

[MyEnglishIsPeperoni]

Skill because other similarly long guys have not been nearly as dominant at LHW like Overeem and Diabete. OSP is 1 inch shorter and is only good not great. Or Struve at HW, Luke Barnatt at MW etc.

Gus is skilled too.

most of these guys who cant use any of their advantages are either lazy as fuck or just dumb. best example --> brock lesnar ... he had/has the strength to be an olympic level wrestler, if he just did more for his technique. oh struve btw. is lazy as fuck.

BIG DIFFERENCE if someone use any of his advantages (in this case reach) and if thats a part of your strategy ... lmao. my big brother is naturally very strong and fast (almost as big as jones), but hes lazy as fuck, when it comes to his advantages.

did you watch the fight nate vs johnson? did you see how nate used his long legs?

 

[SKITZADACTYL]

both.

 

[dangerousD]

He benefits greatly from his reach. The only guy to give him trouble was Gus and he was the closest in size to Jon.

 

[BigMuffler]

BIG DIFFERENCE if someone use any of his advantages (in this case reach) and if thats a part of your strategy ... lmao
did you watch the fight diaz vs johnson? did you see how diaz used his long legs?

And Diaz is no Jones either, losing to RDA, Bendo and Conor all 5'9 or shorter. So Jones winning all the time is skill.

 

[Troy Nelson]

I'm gonna play devil's advocate and say it's mainly his body.

His reach ruins smaller strikers and his leverage wrecks people in the clinch. His chicken legs are also actually a big advantage because he can pack more mass on his torso, which suits his fight style.

I think if you take away his size he's already lost to Gustafsson, possibly DC, and is just an elite guy rather than probable GOAT.

 

[xn7]

B level skills with a A level set of physical attributes. guy was getting wrecked by a short chubby dude.

 

[MyEnglishIsPeperoni]

And Diaz is no Jones either, losing to RDA, Bendo and Conor all 5'9 or shorter. So Jones winning all the time is skill.

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[VIPERdude]

both ... is this question even real? lol

yes. Your new so I get it. If you been on Sherdog a while you would know this is a debate thats ongoing. Jon Jones doesnt have the best boxing. He doesnt even use his domiant wrestling. He CAN manhandle everyone though. His SIZE> than his skill in my opinion

 

[UL]

This is not fighter bashing but facts: eye pokes check, long reach check, running away when getting hit check, masking agents check, size over your foes check, once he fought Gus hospital check= not a true champ, just a cheating one=truth=Jones' fans = no morals check/ end of thread check!!!

That is just the diamond class package you get when you are training under Greg Jackson's team

it's called, doing everything you can to win.