Anyone else think Jones will fight dirty/desperate/ cheat harder - maybe epic cheat get DQ'd?

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Somehow I see this happeneing.

If OSP Jones shows up he'll be even more rusty still and farthest away from USADA

I'm thinking he'll be surprised by how much easier DC handles him and I'm actually concerned he'll get so desperate he'll cheat harder than ever and get DQ'd and ruin the event :/

What do you guys think the odds of this are?
 
i can see him getting purposely DQ'ed.
 
Nope, why would he? He already beat DC convincingly once. He hasn't lost his belt (rather it was taken for out of ring crap). He should be supremely confident coming into this.

Add in DC's weight cuttting issues and advanced age along with Greg Jackson training and planning, Jones comes into this fight fully expecting to win.

And despite all the shit Jones takes for his out of ring antics, the guy is tough as nails, broken toe vs. Sonnen, vicious armbar from Belfort, getting pounded during his fight with Gus, he has zero quit in him. That is not something that steroids gives you.....
 
I see DC trying to pull a Weidman/Moose if anything close to a foul happens after a few rd's.
 
Nope, why would he? He already beat DC convincingly once. He hasn't lost his belt (rather it was taken for out of ring crap). He should be supremely confident coming into this.

Add in DC's weight cuttting issues and advanced age along with Greg Jackson training and planning, Jones comes into this fight fully expecting to win.

And despite all the shit Jones takes for his out of ring antics, the guy is tough as nails, broken toe vs. Sonnen, vicious armbar from Belfort, getting pounded during his fight with Gus, he has zero quit in him. That is not something that steroids gives you.....
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60/40 on the eye-poke.

Will he cheat? That appears to be his M.O. so, yes, he will cheat.
Enough to be DQ'd? Not if he's winning.
 
it's not illegal, but that stomping on the kneecaps he does that he calls a kick should be illegal
 
I can see it.

Off the cocaine now and he seems to give off and psycho and erratic vibe now
 
Jon isn't really a quitter, the guy has a lot of grit and heart. I don't see him doing something crazy like that.
 
Nope, why would he? He already beat DC convincingly once. He hasn't lost his belt (rather it was taken for out of ring crap). He should be supremely confident coming into this.

Add in DC's weight cuttting issues and advanced age along with Greg Jackson training and planning, Jones comes into this fight fully expecting to win.

And despite all the shit Jones takes for his out of ring antics, the guy is tough as nails, broken toe vs. Sonnen, vicious armbar from Belfort, getting pounded during his fight with Gus, he has zero quit in him. That is not something that steroids gives you.....

Make no mistake, Jones lost his belt. Not by another fighter taking it, but he LOST that belt. Nothing was taken from him, he gave it up the minute he chose to do all of the self destructive shit that he did. Jones LOST his belt to Jones, the UFC didn't take shit from anyone.

I absolutely see Jones doing something nasty, the minute he realizes he has bitten off way more than his huge mouth can chew. Anyone that heard the press call from yesterday, noticed that Jones was drunk (or high, and as someone else mentioned, possibly both). Given that he has chosen to be in that state, with the biggest fight of his life just a couple of days away, it proves that absolutely nothing at all has changed with Jones, nothing.

I will be surprised if he steps into the cage on Sat night, shocked really, but if he does manage to find the courage, the moment he feels the fight slipping away I can absolutely see him doing something really nasty to get intentionally DQ'd, so that DC does not beat him. Jones recent conversations in which he has begun referring to himself in the 3rd person, getting on that call clearly intoxicated, somebody close to him needs to step in and try to get the dude the mental help he obviously needs. Totally out of control at this point, and things are spiraling out of control, mark my words on Sat.
 
Make no mistake, Jones lost his belt. Not by another fighter taking it, but he LOST that belt. Nothing was taken from him, he gave it up the minute he chose to do all of the self destructive shit that he did. Jones LOST his belt to Jones, the UFC didn't take shit from anyone.

I absolutely see Jones doing something nasty, the minute he realizes he has bitten off way more than his huge mouth can chew. Anyone that heard the press call from yesterday, noticed that Jones was drunk (or high, and as someone else mentioned, possibly both). Given that he has chosen to be in that state, with the biggest fight of his life just a couple of days away, it proves that absolutely nothing at all has changed with Jones, nothing.

I will be surprised if he steps into the cage on Sat night, shocked really, but if he does manage to find the courage, the moment he feels the fight slipping away I can absolutely see him doing something really nasty to get intentionally DQ'd, so that DC does not beat him. Jones recent conversations in which he has begun referring to himself in the 3rd person, getting on that call clearly intoxicated, somebody close to him needs to step in and try to get the dude the mental help he obviously needs. Totally out of control at this point, and things are spiraling out of control, mark my words on Sat.


I am marking your words...

Jones is undefeated in MMA (Excluding a DQ he was winning easily) and literally has only one close fight (with Gus).

He uses the rules in the ring to his advantage (open hands extended, teep kicks to knees) but he has never cheated in a fight. The rules have changed and you can expect the Jackson camp to adjust accordingly.

In his case, why does he need courage to step inside the ring over and above the usual amount? The guy is pretty much the greatest MMA fighter of this generation and already beat DC easily. Plus he knows (and DC knows) that he is deep inside DC's head. Add in DC's declining physical skills and quite possibly a brutal weight cut, Jones comes in supremely confident.

There has been nothing in the ring (other than cruising to an easy decision over OSP that could be attributed to working off ring rust) that leads anyone to believe that Jones won't show up and do what he does best.

You are theorizing about crap you and I know nothing about.
 
I am marking your words...

Jones is undefeated in MMA (Excluding a DQ he was winning easily) and literally has only one close fight (with Gus).

He uses the rules in the ring to his advantage (open hands extended, teep kicks to knees) but he has never cheated in a fight. The rules have changed and you can expect the Jackson camp to adjust accordingly.

In his case, why does he need courage to step inside the ring over and above the usual amount? The guy is pretty much the greatest MMA fighter of this generation and already beat DC easily. Plus he knows (and DC knows) that he is deep inside DC's head. Add in DC's declining physical skills and quite possibly a brutal weight cut, Jones comes in supremely confident.

There has been nothing in the ring (other than cruising to an easy decision over OSP that could be attributed to working off ring rust) that leads anyone to believe that Jones won't show up and do what he does best.

You are theorizing about crap you and I know nothing about.


I am not theorizing, I am expressing an educated opinion. Educated in that I have witnessed first hand such self destruction, numerous times, and Jon has all the tell tale signs. This is not based on any hatred of Jones, or love for DC, it is based strictly on Jones' previous behavior, as well as the behavior he is currently exhibiting. I agree with you on a lot of your comments, Jones could have been the greatest to ever step into a cage, but he himself has seen to it how that will never become reality.

In recent interviews, especially the most recent one where he is referring to himself in the 3rd person, and is clearly intoxicated on something, Jon is obviously masking or hiding something, and his body language seems to show some severe self doubt as well, first time we have ever seen that in him.

You can swing all you like, you can buy into the things Jones is saying, but trying to say DC's skills are in such decline, how you believe Jones is in his head is way off the factual mark. Saying those things is the same thing you are trying to accuse me of doing.

As I stated, let's see Jon actually step into the Octagon, and go from there. I have serious doubt that happens in the first place. Did you watch the OSP fight, that fight was after a shorter layoff than this fight will be, and Jones did not look good in there. His previous fluidity was absent, a lot of his speed was lost to all of the extra muscle he had packed on (a fact that was literally acknowledged by Jackson himself, immediately after the fight, while they were still in the cage) His timing was off, his comfort being in the cage was not there. Jones won the fight, but let's not pretend it was a super dominating performance. If you think that OSP on that night could have survived 2 rounds with the Jones that won the title, you would just be wrong. To ignore Jon's lackluster performance that night is a huge mistake that I see a lot of people making. If you ignore that performance, then you are simply blinded by your love of Jones, and if you acknowledge his performance that night, but then try to some how sell that following an even longer layoff he is somehow going to be improved, well, that would simply be delusional thinking.

At the end of the day, it is a fight, and Jones is one of, if not The, most gifted fighters to ever grace us with being able to watch him perform. He absolutely can win this fight, I simply do not believe it will happen. So, anyone who states that DC wins this fight unequivocally, and that Jones cannot possibly win, then those people are just as delusional as the people who say the opposite about Jones. However, the deck is stacked, heavily, against Jones right now, and it is 100% self inflicted. I don't have any hatred in my heart for Jones, don't know the man personally, but he has some very real demons, and if he refuses to acknowledge them, and deal with them accordingly, then we are sadly only witnessing the beginning. We have seen this same story, way too many times.

I was a huge Tyson fan back in his day, still have every fight on VHS, recorded live, you would be hard pressed to find a bigger fan. We saw all of this same type of self destructive behavior then, and the delusional fans that go along with it. I know, as I was one of those fans. I refused to accept that any man on the planet could ever beat Mike, Buster was the only one at first, and that had to be a fluke, no way he could repeat that. It had to be Robin Given's fault, she had destroyed him mentally, he needed to get away from her, and the old Tyson would immediately return. I made excuses for every single loss Tyson had after the Douglas fight, told everyone how when he got out of prison, the old Tyson was back, would not taste defeat again, and I actually got into a couple of fights myself, defending Tyson when people would say negative things about him. etc... etc... So, yeah, I get it, I have been there, but I learned a lot from that story, and many stories just like it before and after.

Enjoy the fight, if it happens, and pull for whomever you choose, and I will do the same. When it is all said and done, and the dust has settled, we will all, hopefully, have a clear cut winner, and not be discussing some sort of ridiculous controversy for the next 6 months. That is all we can wish for at this point.
 
I am marking your words...

Jones is undefeated in MMA (Excluding a DQ he was winning easily) and literally has only one close fight (with Gus).

He uses the rules in the ring to his advantage (open hands extended, teep kicks to knees) but he has never cheated in a fight. The rules have changed and you can expect the Jackson camp to adjust accordingly.

In his case, why does he need courage to step inside the ring over and above the usual amount? The guy is pretty much the greatest MMA fighter of this generation and already beat DC easily. Plus he knows (and DC knows) that he is deep inside DC's head. Add in DC's declining physical skills and quite possibly a brutal weight cut, Jones comes in supremely confident.

There has been nothing in the ring (other than cruising to an easy decision over OSP that could be attributed to working off ring rust) that leads anyone to believe that Jones won't show up and do what he does best.

You are theorizing about crap you and I know nothing about.

Dually marked, and you were correct. Jones fought well, and got the finish. Def no controversy there. You were correct in your assesment Sir.
 

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