Why would Jones be off PEDs for this fight?

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A lot of DCs comments (and threads here) have carried the narrative that Jones had a chemical edge before and this time he won't. Busted athletes don't quit and go clean, they just modify their cycles or seek out less detectable stuff.

Jon was cycling with Estrogen blockers, and like most athletes was smart enough to have a built in excuse in the event of a positive test:

"Something noted in the decision, is that there were errors or omissions in the declarations of Jones and the teammate who supplied him with the Tadalafil, Eric Blasich. Perhaps most concerning is that when Blasich finally produced an invoice for his order of Tadalafil, it also contained an order for clomiphene. Despite this, the panel concluded that the evidence suggested Jones’ failed test was caused by the “Tadalafil”."

Find something not banned, Tadalafil, that will provide a similar positive for something that is banned, Clomiphene, and Ta-da you either are completely absolved or get a significantly lessened suspension.

And if a postitive test for a Testosterone recovery agent isn't damning enough, there's also his previous T/E ratio and values being all over the map before their first fight (2 years before the positive test using the same standards):

Jones had his T/E levels measured on three occasions -- an extra test was ordered because his first sample was diluted(!!!) -- as part of out-of-competition drug testing ordered by the NAC. His ratio in the three tests were 0.29:1, 0.35:1 and 0.19:1, well below the normal ratio (1.3:1) for an average African-American male. In addition, Jones’ testosterone levels in those three tests were 1.8 ng/mL, 0.59 ng/mL and 4.9 ng/mL; the average level for a male is 61.3 ng/ML.


Where it gets really scary is when you have athletes admitting they test their own blood to see if they are going to be able to fly under the radar (Chael of course):

"What happens is they do out-of-competition testing, and the lab that they went to is the USADA [United States Anti-Doping Agency] lab. Now the USADA lab is the greatest lab in the world. It's a very sensitive test. We had done our own tests, at our own labs, and we thought that everything was out of the system."


Like Nate said, "they're all on steroids."
 
Wouldn't surprise me but I think he's risked too many paydays to keep getting banned.
 
yes, most likely he's still using. they're all still using (top/rich/well connected fighters, at least). it's just a (way) higher IQ test

he probably got something better with his brothers
 
Its a different atmosphere after USADA.
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Jones will cheat anyway he can. Judging by his past its his true nature.
 
Not only is he a top UFC fighter, but he has two brothers in the NFL. I'm sure he has access to all the latest and greatest in designer PEDs. He got lazy with the dick pills.
 
Jones will be on something, maybe not to the degree he was before, but he'll be on something. Thinking he'll be clean is naive.
 
What the hell are you going on about? Tadalafil is Cialis. Cialis and Clomiphine are completely different things. They don't do remotely the same thing. Cialis isn't an estrogen blocker in any way. It's a vasodialator. It increases blood flow, it does not moderate estrogen or testosterone. They aren't even chemically remotely close to each other. You couldnt fail a drug test for clomiphine and it be Cialis that caused a positive result. That isn't possible.

I'm not saying he wasn't taking clomid and cialis, just that absolutely nothing you said your post makes any sense.
 
I think TS presents a great point. I assumed (hoped) this fight would be fair but now I am second guessing that.

WAR DC! Beat this juicer.
 
USADA is very hard to beat so he might be clean now. But it is possible to circumvent random tests and biological passports so we will never know for sure.
 
A lot of DCs comments (and threads here) have carried the narrative that Jones had a chemical edge before and this time he won't. Busted athletes don't quit and go clean, they just modify their cycles or seek out less detectable stuff.

Jon was cycling with Estrogen blockers, and like most athletes was smart enough to have a built in excuse in the event of a positive test:

"Something noted in the decision, is that there were errors or omissions in the declarations of Jones and the teammate who supplied him with the Tadalafil, Eric Blasich. Perhaps most concerning is that when Blasich finally produced an invoice for his order of Tadalafil, it also contained an order for clomiphene. Despite this, the panel concluded that the evidence suggested Jones’ failed test was caused by the “Tadalafil”."

Find something not banned, Tadalafil, that will provide a similar positive for something that is banned, Clomiphene, and Ta-da you either are completely absolved or get a significantly lessened suspension.

And if a postitive test for a Testosterone recovery agent isn't damning enough, there's also his previous T/E ratio and values being all over the map before their first fight (2 years before the positive test using the same standards):

Jones had his T/E levels measured on three occasions -- an extra test was ordered because his first sample was diluted(!!!) -- as part of out-of-competition drug testing ordered by the NAC. His ratio in the three tests were 0.29:1, 0.35:1 and 0.19:1, well below the normal ratio (1.3:1) for an average African-American male. In addition, Jones’ testosterone levels in those three tests were 1.8 ng/mL, 0.59 ng/mL and 4.9 ng/mL; the average level for a male is 61.3 ng/ML.


Where it gets really scary is when you have athletes admitting they test their own blood to see if they are going to be able to fly under the radar (Chael of course):

"What happens is they do out-of-competition testing, and the lab that they went to is the USADA [United States Anti-Doping Agency] lab. Now the USADA lab is the greatest lab in the world. It's a very sensitive test. We had done our own tests, at our own labs, and we thought that everything was out of the system."


Like Nate said, "they're all on steroids."
yep just like yoel

there are only a select few clean elite fighters
 
Wouldn't surprise me but I think he's risked too many paydays to keep getting banned.

That's kind of my point, two years before getting caught his ratios were all over the place. They actually used a CIR test to see if there was exogenous Test as his values suggested there should be, still came clean at that time.

He just has to beat the test...
 
A lot of DCs comments (and threads here) have carried the narrative that Jones had a chemical edge before and this time he won't. Busted athletes don't quit and go clean, they just modify their cycles or seek out less detectable stuff.

Jon was cycling with Estrogen blockers, and like most athletes was smart enough to have a built in excuse in the event of a positive test:

"Something noted in the decision, is that there were errors or omissions in the declarations of Jones and the teammate who supplied him with the Tadalafil, Eric Blasich. Perhaps most concerning is that when Blasich finally produced an invoice for his order of Tadalafil, it also contained an order for clomiphene. Despite this, the panel concluded that the evidence suggested Jones’ failed test was caused by the “Tadalafil”."

Find something not banned, Tadalafil, that will provide a similar positive for something that is banned, Clomiphene, and Ta-da you either are completely absolved or get a significantly lessened suspension.

And if a postitive test for a Testosterone recovery agent isn't damning enough, there's also his previous T/E ratio and values being all over the map before their first fight (2 years before the positive test using the same standards):

Jones had his T/E levels measured on three occasions -- an extra test was ordered because his first sample was diluted(!!!) -- as part of out-of-competition drug testing ordered by the NAC. His ratio in the three tests were 0.29:1, 0.35:1 and 0.19:1, well below the normal ratio (1.3:1) for an average African-American male. In addition, Jones’ testosterone levels in those three tests were 1.8 ng/mL, 0.59 ng/mL and 4.9 ng/mL; the average level for a male is 61.3 ng/ML.


Where it gets really scary is when you have athletes admitting they test their own blood to see if they are going to be able to fly under the radar (Chael of course):

"What happens is they do out-of-competition testing, and the lab that they went to is the USADA [United States Anti-Doping Agency] lab. Now the USADA lab is the greatest lab in the world. It's a very sensitive test. We had done our own tests, at our own labs, and we thought that everything was out of the system."


Like Nate said, "they're all on steroids."

Can you imagine how much greater he'd be than he already is if he had even normal testosterone levels?
 
even people in germany knows, that connection to NFL = best stuff

Not as good as the stuff the East German 'women' used to have surely?
Didn't all the doctors go to China after reunification and then there were Chinese 'female' swimmers and runners winning everything.
 
He's probably not clean, imo.

But, IF he is. Or, possibly if Cormier thinks he is. It could be the difference. Every advantage you can get at that level, will help...including psychological.

Fuck that clown.
 
What the hell are you going on about? Tadalafil is Cialis. Cialis and Clomiphine are completely different things. They don't do remotely the same thing. Cialis isn't an estrogen blocker in any way. It's a vasodialator. It increases blood flow, it does not moderate estrogen or testosterone. They aren't even chemically remotely close to each other. You couldnt fail a drug test for clomiphine and it be Cialis that caused a positive result. That isn't possible.

I'm not saying he wasn't taking clomid and cialis, just that absolutely nothing you said your post makes any sense.
re-posting this. it makes too much sense and therefore will get ignored by the masses.
 
"Something noted in the decision, is that there were errors or omissions in the declarations of Jones and the teammate who supplied him with the Tadalafil, Eric Blasich. Perhaps most concerning is that when Blasich finally produced an invoice for his order of Tadalafil, it also contained an order for clomiphene. Despite this, the panel concluded that the evidence suggested Jones’ failed test was caused by the “Tadalafil”."."

This is the biggest proof that Jones is a juicer. How coincidental that the guy who gave the "dick pills" to Jones, also ordered clomiphene on the same order as the "dick pills". Jones was cycling of a steroid cycle and got busted. Having been caught once, he will probably be more careful this time in his use of the juice. My theory is that he came off the juice in his first fight under USADA vs OSP (or at least lowered his use) and when he noticed how poor he looked, he got back on the juice for the DC fight. Coming off the juice has a huge mental effect on an athlete.
 
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