Don't get too excited about Gus winning belt, performance was like JDS/Rothwell

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Arguably the best pure boxing performance of Gus and JDS career but they had a very favorable opponent to get off and set up their work on to style on. Maybe the slowest/lumbering guy of both divisions, that couldn't take advantage of their weaknesses. Bem coukdnt cut the cage or get Juniors back to the cage and Glover was too slow to get anything going and couldn't get past the same jab and straight right Gus was playing off and to setup uppercuts. let's not forget Gus got outboxed by Jan a fight ago. JDS still had his weakness exposed badly his next fight and Gus weaknesses are still there, luckily for him 98% of the division is shit

Gus punching technique and transition looked better than ever. His overall MMA game having some of the best wrestling in division makes him tough to beat

But his exaggerated footwork that has got him tired late and porous defense are still there. He looked better in the 5th mostly due to improvement in punching technique he was getting his elbow back and making it straighter as opposed to the goofy loopy punches he had for uppercuts before

But he still covers high and ducks low which got him uppercutted to hell against Humble and DC. Gus weakness in defense there and with his clinch/inside game which Bones and DC took full advantage of are still there. Glover got to his hips easily early and seismic tossed him Gus is still very vulnerable on the inside and has bad defense. He can still beat anyone in the division outside of DC/Humble if Bones struggles to get inside Gus can beat him tho he's a clear underdog
 
Gustafsson looked great tonight. But the eye poke absolutely played a role in the fight today. Teixeira was eating a lot of those uppercuts over and over and over again... that may have happened because he was fighting with only one good eye.
 
I was just going to make a similar thread. Great job @ExitLUPin

I said the same thing when everyone was over hyping JDSs average decision over Rothwell. That performance was "aiiight"
 
Or maybe that was the best version of JDS that we ever saw, but Miocic in 2017 is just better than him.
Everyone not giving praise to the winner, like usual.


By the way, Gus was beating Jones clearly before that spinning elbow in the 4th round.
If he fights like in 2013 but he avoid a dramatic low percentage move, he beat Jones.

DC and Rumble, bad fights for Gustafsson.
 
Interesting analogy.
Gustafsson's grappling also looked on point but i have to agree he is still quite hittable even while sprinting away
The next fight will be quite telling
 
I agree with a lot of what you said, but that was extremely hard to read. Cheers, though.
 
Or maybe that was the best version of JDS that we ever saw, but Miocic in 2017 is just better than him.
Everyone not giving praise to the winner, like usual.


By the way, Gus was beating Jones clearly before that spinning elbow in the 4th round.
If he fights like in 2013 but he avoid a dramatic low percentage move, he beat Jones.

DC and Rumble, bad fights for Gustafsson.

The best version of JDS we ever saw was his run to the title and subsequent defense before the 2 maulings by Cain. You don't take 2 horrible beatings like that in quick succession and still remain at your best. Stipe should absolutely get praise for his victory against JDS, but saying that was the "best version of JDS" is a little ridiculous.
 
The best version of JDS we ever saw was his run to the title and subsequent defense before the 2 maulings by Cain. You don't take 2 horrible beatings like that in quick succession and still remain at your best. Stipe should absolutely get praise for his victory against JDS, but saying that was the "best version of JDS" is a little farfetched.
Against Rothwell he looked better than ever and his boxing clearly increased.
After Cain he had a war with Stipe and he looked good also.

Rothwell was no more of a standing target than a young Struve, a smaller scared Crocop, Gonzaga, Carwin, Mir and an injured Cain.
 
Against Rothwell he looked better than ever and his boxing clearly increased.
After Cain he had a war with Stipe and he looked good also.

Rothwell was no more of a standing target than a young Struve, a smaller scared Crocop, Gonzaga, Carwin, Mir and an injured Cain.

Rothwell literally gave Junior the fight he wanted, he engaged in a boxing match without mixing things up and using his grappling. A slow guy who plods forward and just stands with Junior is almost always going to lose, especially if he can't land with any power significant enough to make Junior nervous.

Have you actually seen any of Junior's fights before the Cain losses? If so I don't see how you can honestly sit here and try to argue that JDS is still the exact same fighter as he was when he made his first run at the title.
 
Arguably the best pure boxing performance of Gus and JDS career but they had a very favorable opponent to get off and set up their work on to style on. Maybe the slowest/lumbering guy of both divisions, that couldn't take advantage of their weaknesses. Bem coukdnt cut the cage or get Juniors back to the cage and Glover was too slow to get anything going and couldn't get past the same jab and straight right Gus was playing off and to setup uppercuts. let's not forget Gus got outboxed by Jan a fight ago. JDS still had his weakness exposed badly his next fight and Gus weaknesses are still there, luckily for him 98% of the division is shit

Gus punching technique and transition looked better than ever. His overall MMA game having some of the best wrestling in division makes him tough to beat

But his exaggerated footwork that has got him tired late and porous defense are still there. He looked better in the 5th mostly due to improvement in punching technique he was getting his elbow back and making it straighter as opposed to the goofy loopy punches he had for uppercuts before

But he still covers high and ducks low which got him uppercutted to hell against Humble and DC. Gus weakness in defense there and with his clinch/inside game which Bones and DC took full advantage of are still there. Glover got to his hips easily early and seismic tossed him Gus is still very vulnerable on the inside and has bad defense. He can still beat anyone in the division outside of DC/Humble if Bones struggles to get inside Gus can beat him tho he's a clear underdog

yeah hes not winning that belt. There's 2 guys (3 if AJ comes out of retirement) ahead of him that aren't going anywhere
 
I agree to some degree, but I didn't think JDS looked all that great against Rothwell. He looked hesitant and fought super safe. Gus on the other hand let his hands go and lit Glover the fuck up. His combinations looked great.

I didn't think JDS looked improved against Rothwell. I thought he fought safe and looked good against a shuffling zombie. Gus on the other hand looked fast and brutal.

I do think the comparison is good in the fact that Glover & Rothwell are kind of made to make both fighters look good. But Gus looked a lot better against Glover than JDS did against Rothwell.
 
Also Gus had super close fights with Jones & Cormier.

JDS got destroyed by Cain & Overeem.

Nobodies shown to be on another level than Gus. He got KO'd bad by AJ and I was rooting for AJ in that fight, but Gus wins that fight a decent amount of the time once he gets out of the first round.
 
Gus weakness in defense there and with his clinch/inside game which Bones and DC took full advantage of are still there.

You have a hole in your memory. Gus landed the better strikes in the clinch against Jones, and almost finished DC from the clinch. DC had a good success with his uppercuts vs Gus in the clinch, but thats about it.
 
You'd have to be blind to think JDS's performance against Rothwell was his best or near his best...

He lost considerable speed and aggression since the two Cain maulings, and most of all a lot of confidence in his game/striking..
It's no coincidence that someone that had never been knocked out, has been KO'ed twice in a row in his latest losses..

Also his chin has deteriorated big time which will eventually happen to any granite chinned fighter whose main defense is to take advantage of having a great chin by absorbing some to land some...
Especially at HW
 
You'd have to be blind to think JDS's performance against Rothwell was his best or near his best...

He lost considerable speed and aggression since the two Cain maulings, and most of all a lot of confidence in his game/striking..
It's no coincidence that someone that had never been knocked out, has been KO'ed twice in a row in his latest losses..

Also his chin has deteriorated big time which will eventually happen to any granite chinned fighter whose main defense is to take advantage of having a great chin by absorbing some to land some...
Especially at HW
Rothwell literally gave Junior the fight he wanted, he engaged in a boxing match without mixing things up and using his grappling. A slow guy who plods forward and just stands with Junior is almost always going to lose, especially if he can't land with any power significant enough to make Junior nervous.

Have you actually seen any of Junior's fights before the Cain losses? If so I don't see how you can honestly sit here and try to argue that JDS is still the exact same fighter as he was when he made his first run at the title.
You should watch those fights, the Rothwell fight was a technical boxing masterclass by Dos Santos, he was fast, powerful and Rothwell was on a huge 3 fights win streak, probably on roids also.

Meanwhile all the guys that JDS beat before being champion were completely outmatched.



This should be an impressive win?
Sorry but beating a 226 pounds "heavyweight" is not impressive, we are not in the early 2000 anymore.
And you could see Junior was still a developing fighter at the time, both physically and technically, he only had 4 year of boxing experience, who says that against Rothwell he looked worse is out of his mind.
 
JDS had been on a decline since the Cain fights. You'll never be the same after something like that.

In his prime, JDS would have knocked Rothwell stiff, just like what Arlovski did to him.
 
JDS had been on a decline since the Cain fights. You'll never be the same after something like that.

In his prime, JDS would have knocked Rothwell stiff, just like what Arlovski did to him.
Rothwell now is not the same guy that was koed by Arlovski, not going to happen.

Rothwell koed Overeem and submitted Barnett.
 
True that TS. Didn't read your post but your thread title nailed it
 
You should watch those fights, the Rothwell fight was a technical boxing masterclass by Dos Santos, he was fast, powerful and Rothwell was on a huge 3 fights win streak, probably on roids also.

Meanwhile all the guys that JDS beat before being champion were completely outmatched.



This should be an impressive win?
Sorry but beating a 226 pounds "heavyweight" is not impressive, we are not in the early 2000 anymore.
And you could see Junior was still a developing fighter at the time, both physically and technically, he only had 4 year of boxing experience, who says that against Rothwell he looked worse is out of his mind.


Yea you keep saying he looked good against Rothwell but you refuse to answer back to the reasons we gave you as to why he did. Rothwell isn't a pure striker, he has good grappling and clinch work and works best when mixing all those together. Which he didn't against JDS, he engaged in a pure boxing match against a guy with better striking and who was much faster. Even a declined JDS is still faster than Rothwell and most other HWs, but you can tell from his earlier fights he has slowed down.

Not only that but his confidence has clearly taken a hit. Old JDS would constantly walk forward and stalk his opponents, if they started to push him back he'd counter hard and push back harder. Now he just lets them push him and quickly finds his back against the cage and stays there even though he always takes punishment when he does that. Of course if you just plod forward and don't even try to cut him off, like Rothwell did, he'll still box you up and keep you away with a stiff jab. Also he doesn't exchange when in the pocket like he used to. JDS used to be extremely confident in his speed, head movement, and reflexes when in close quarters but now he just tries to immediately get away to the point that he'll forget about defending or countering and just drops his hands and tries to rush out. All anyone has to do is cut him off and he'll once again drop his hands and back himself up to the cage leaving himself open to blasted or clinched. Cut him off enough times and he'll just accept the poor position and stay there and get teed off on.
 
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