Big John explains new downed fighter rule.

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Big John explains new downed fighter rule. It means two palms or two knuckles down *with weight*. So if someone can pull you up and knee your head into the bleachers, that's your problem. That makes perfect sense because we don't want fighters reaching for the floor and exposing their face. If they want to be down, they can put one knee down or any other part of their body down other than hands and feet.
 
he shouldn't have to explain it.

if its not self-explanatory or not abundantly clear, they need to re-word it in the rule book.

This is not supposed to be the Bible where you can have 20 different translations and interpretations of the 'rules'.
 
It's unfortunate what happened with Weidman and Mousasi but the down opponent rule is supposed to protect fighters who are down or half down and injured from getting kicked or knee'd to the face, not protect fighters trying to game the system by putting one or both hands down to save themselves if they get out of position.
 
Any fighter trying to play that "fingertips touching the mat" bullshit deserves what ever blow gets thrown at their head. It's not a natural instinct in a real fight, so don't bring that shit into the cage.
 
Stop being pussies and just bring back soccer kicks and stomps.

This anti-Let'sBangBro shit is nonsense and quite racist
 
he shouldn't have to explain it.

if its not self-explanatory or not abundantly clear, they need to re-word it in the rule book.

This is not supposed to be the Bible where you can have 20 different translations and interpretations of the 'rules'.

It is crystal clear in the book. The media and the fans simply hasn't read it. It is in plain text that you need two palms or two knuckles down on the floor to qualify as a downed fighter.
 
Herb Dean came out and said the same. He said that he would not have considered Weidman a downed fighter because there was no weight on his hands. So regardless if Gegard pulled Weidman up a split second before the knee, the strike would have been legal anyway.

So basically looking from any possible perspective of the situation, Weidman is wrong.
 
you should have to be on both knees to be counted as down.
 
you should have to be on both knees to be counted as down.

A fighter can still fight on their knees, if his hands are free, a downed fighter is one where they can not defend themselves. Anything else is game. Remember this is not a street fight and is not patty cakes.
 
It is crystal clear in the book. The media and the fans simply hasn't read it. It is in plain text that you need two palms or two knuckles down on the floor to qualify as a downed fighter.
If it was crystal clear he wouldn't have to explain it.

In addition to that, Dan Mirg clearly states when consulting Big John during the 5min recovery that the hands were down when the strike was thrown. Big John overruled him.

So even the ref doesn't know for sure.

In addition to that, that's what Chael Sonnen says as well.

If it was crystal clear, there would be no controversy stemming from the new rule, and Big John wouldn't have to be PR'ing his ass off to make all this go away without receiving flak for his fuck up.
 
"It means two palms or two knuckles down *with weight*"

Don't palms and knuckles have weight?
 
If it was crystal clear he wouldn't have to explain it.

In addition to that, Dan Mirg clearly states when consulting Big John during the 5min recovery that the hands were down when the strike was thrown. Big John overruled him.

So even the ref doesn't know for sure.

In addition to that, that's what Chael Sonnen says as well.

If it was crystal clear, there would be no controversy stemming from the new rule, and Big John wouldn't have to be PR'ing his ass off to make all this go away without receiving flak for his fuck up.
Yea. The rule, as he explained it, makes sense. But it doesn't actually say anything in the rules themselves about weight bearing, it just says palms or fists down. If it actually said that a fighter has to be supporting a significant portion of their weight with both hands, or have any part of their body other than their hands and feet touching, it'd be a lot more clear.

But fighters really need to pay attention during the pre-fight meetings, and refs all need to be on the same page. Having different rulesets in place in different commissions is not helping at all either.
 
Dumb rule. Should be knee down for downed. With the palms/knuckles w/ weight you still encourage rule gaming since usually the opponent won't think of pulling him up when he does this in a high pressure situation, and he usually wouldn't even see it since the rule gamer's body is in the way. Make it one knee. It's simple.
 
or two knuckles down *with weight*

It is in plain text that you need two palms or two knuckles down on the floor to qualify as a downed fighter.

You shouldn't be saying "two knuckles." "Two fists" is clearly talking about two hands. "Two palms" is clearly talking about two hands. But one can put "two knuckles" on the mat using only one hand, and that wouldn't qualify. So saying "two knuckles" can cause misunderstanding of the rule.
 
The entire problem is that the REF got the rule wrong and called it illegal when it was not.
 

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