Boxer vs Kickboxer vs MMA

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Usually they answer that its logically the one with the most tools wins this. So it would go like this I assume:

MMA >> Kickboxer >> Boxer.

But what if the Boxer has great takedown defense and knows how to defend kicks as well
And if the kickboxer would have great takedown defense.

Who would win in that case ?
 
People have been making this thread on Sherdog since it started.

Short answer: depends on the individual. There's no "BJJ guy beats karate guy beats kung fu guy" etc etc anymore. It's all about the individual and how how he implements his skills.
 
Why Boxer would need TDD when he fights the KB guy?
I agree with above, you would need some twins to have an irrefutable argument
 
People have been making this thread on Sherdog since it started.

Short answer: depends on the individual. There's no "BJJ guy beats karate guy beats kung fu guy" etc etc anymore. It's all about the individual and how how he implements his skills.
And the unfolding of the fight itself, two same fighters won't necessaryly have the same fight every time
 
If the boxer knew TDD and how to defend kicks, then he would be an MMA guy
 
Counter boxer/defensive boxer/power puncher/volume puncher? Going to need more specifics
 
Specialist are better at their specialities

If someone trains only boxing, he will surely be better in a boxing match than the MMA fighter who have to train in many disciplines.

If like you say the guy have great TDD, he will probably have to train it a lot anyway so he will do less boxing training...

You have some exceptions like BJ Penn, a super flexible BJJ Guy who became one of the good boxers and had really good TDD

Or GSP who became one of the best wrestler after starting grappling in is late teens.

Or Jon Jones who became one of thereally good strikers even if he's a wrestler

But'll always be subpar VS a specialist

That's why I don't believe in MayMac
 
Counter boxer/defensive boxer/power puncher/volume puncher? Going to need more specifics

That's a good angle to look at it

Couter boxer and power punchers could do well in MMA, it's easier to not get taken down when your not always going foward. Plus the small gloves would be devastating. It's pretty much how McGregor became so good.

Volume punchers and defensive guys could be taken down more often or they can get stuck in the clinch (where there's no referee to break them up). They are also in the kicking range for leg kicks and that can mess up their game. The Diaz brothers are an exception because of their really high level BJJ so most of the guys don't want to go the ground with them.
 
The reason i was asking this is because I know some kickboxing guys that always say that they can easily kick the boxing guy and always win.

But its not like every kick is hurting too much to get in close so then the boxer would be able to do his thing anyway. So I also thought it wouldnt be always obvious a kickboxer would own a boxer.

I did boxing and kickboxing but mostly boxing. But during my first lessons of kickboxing i was blocking highkicks naturally anyway because of my boxing.
 
Also on mma, u dont see highkicks (barely) or anything. Not even that many low kicks. So most of the kickboxing abilities could be discarded ?

Hands are more commonly used. But if you cant defend against all those things you are offcourse in trouble.
 
In the early evolution of the UFC (for one example)....

First BJJ ruled....(nobody was equipped at the time to defend against or even know what it was)
.....then wrestlers became the force....(they learned that Ground n' Pound could overcome BJJ)
.....and then strikers (Muy Thai, etc) learned TDD and became the fighters to beat....
.....and then we got to pretty much where we are now... with most top fighters honing their skills in every area. So we have BJJ, Muy Thai, Karate, Wrestling specialists that can rise to the top.........by proving to be the better tactical fighter in better condition and able to impose their strengths against their opponent and therefore one single style doesn't rule in this day and age of MMA.
 
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The reason i was asking this is because I know some kickboxing guys that always say that they can easily kick the boxing guy and always win.

But its not like every kick is hurting too much to get in close so then the boxer would be able to do his thing anyway. So I also thought it wouldnt be always obvious a kickboxer would own a boxer.

I did boxing and kickboxing but mostly boxing. But during my first lessons of kickboxing i was blocking highkicks naturally anyway because of my boxing.
I think you are right. In my 4 decades of watching boxing, kick boxing and MMA, most kick boxing bouts (not including Muy Thai) always seemed to be about 80% boxing and 20% kicking......and it was always assumed (and pretty much corroborated by visual proof) that kickboxers were generally inferior boxers who rarely used kicks to win fights......and the more experienced and talented in boxing a kickboxer was......determined his ability to challenge for a championship. Even the great Bill "Thunderfoot" Wallace didn't dominate his fights mostly based on his kicking. He still needed to be a better boxer than his opponents.
 
Usually they answer that its logically the one with the most tools wins this. So it would go like this I assume:

MMA >> Kickboxer >> Boxer.

But what if the Boxer has great takedown defense and knows how to defend kicks as well
And if the kickboxer would have great takedown defense.

Who would win in that case ?

You give a boxer 3 months training a few kicks and some kickboxing defence and the boxer will win the vast majority of the time. As soon as the fight is mid to close range the kickboxer will be completely outclassed and likely KO'd
MMA vs either boxing or Kickboxing is a completely unfair matchup
 
You give a boxer 3 months training a few kicks and some kickboxing defence and the boxer will win the vast majority of the time. As soon as the fight is mid to close range the kickboxer will be completely outclassed and likely KO'd
MMA vs either boxing or Kickboxing is a completely unfair matchup
Definitely true.
The funny thing is......in many, many MMA matches we end up with 3 rounds of 95% stand up boxing between two wrestlers or a wrestler/grappler and a stand up fighter with good takedown defense. So we get to watch two guys that are absolutely horrible and awkward on their feet, boxing and struggling to find takedowns that never come. I hate ugly fights like that. We see a lot of that in WMMA at the moment.
 
You give a boxer 3 months training a few kicks and some kickboxing defence and the boxer will win the vast majority of the time. As soon as the fight is mid to close range the kickboxer will be completely outclassed and likely KO'd
MMA vs either boxing or Kickboxing is a completely unfair matchup
if that were true the guys at the top of kickboxing would have a base in boxing. they dont. It takes more than a few months to understand kicks and be conditioned.
 
You give a boxer 3 months training a few kicks and some kickboxing defence and the boxer will win the vast majority of the time.

3 months? just wondering why you think this. kickboxers spend a lifetime (examples: Buakaw, CroCop) training kickboxing, you're giving a boxer 3 months to make up for that? same for (MMA) wrestlers, many wrestled since age 4, you're giving boxers 3 months and they'll be able to defend and neutralize 10, 15, 20 years of wrestling?
 
3 months? just wondering why you think this. kickboxers spend a lifetime (examples: Buakaw, CroCop) training kickboxing, you're giving a boxer 3 months to make up for that? same for (MMA) wrestlers, many wrestled since age 4, you're giving boxers 3 months and they'll be able to defend and neutralize 10, 15, 20 years of wrestling?

A boxer isn't going to engage in a kickboxing match as he will very likely lose. He just needs to defend kicks and close the distance. A kickboxer will likely be outclassed when the fight is close, in my personal experience (I boxed for 15 years before I started kickboxing & MT). It is a little different in MT because of the clinch but the thread title states kickboxing so I assume we are talking K1 rules.

Im not sure why you mention wrestling, I already said in my post that MMA vs boxing or Kickboxing is a completely unfair matchup.
 
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