What happened to judging?

[No Mas]

Jesus, there's been 2 cards since the "new system" has been implemented and already there's been 2 of the biggest robberies in history.

Held over Lauzon, now Sanchez over Giorgi????

How in the fuck can anybody score this for Sanchez with the point deduction? In order for him to win he needs to have won, both the first and the third. I guess the first, albeit edged by Karakhanyan was close enough. But how in the fuck can Sanchez have won the third round? Worst case scenario this was a draw.

These decisions have stopped making any sense whatsoever. By trying to improve "judging" it has become the worst it has ever been, I think even Jim Brown could score these fights better.

 

[Degen Gambler]

They gave him the first and the second

 

[No Mas]

They gave him the first and the second

The second had a point deduction... It was a draw at worst for Giorgi.

 

[Degen Gambler]

The second had a point deduction... It was a draw at worst for Giorgi.

9-8 Sanchez

 

[Shocktagon]

He had a good enough case for a 10-8 round 2 under the revised criteria. Sanchez fights always fuck with the judges though, so this is IMO hardly a good measurement of the new judging.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

It seems like neither the fighters nor the judges nor the commentators have any clue what's going on with the new rules and new judging. Best hope every fight gets finished from now on.

 

[TheRassler]

Wrestling alone isn't gonna win decisions, when will you morons realize this??

I'm referring to the Held fight.

 

[No Mas]

9-8 Sanchez

Hm, see mmadecision has it as 9-8 yeah. Probably the worst 10-8 round ever awarded then. Not only was there a foul, Giorgi was fighting back the entire time, and was never threatened.

 

[Mikey Palangio]

Giorgi didn't fight at all. Holding on to somebody is NOT fighting. If this was restraining maybe he should have won.

But this is fighting.

 

[KDR by RNC]

If sanchez's round 2 was a 10-8 than georgis round 3 was a 10-8 ridiculous.

 

[No Mas]

Giorgi didn't fight at all. Holding on to somebody is NOT fighting. If this was restraining maybe he should have won.

But this is fighting.

It's retarded statements like this that lead to bad judging. So if a fighter has full mount the whole round, or full back mount but throws 1 strike and his opponent 1 strike as well, the guy in the compromising position should win cause he was restrained?

Round 2 being 10-8 is prob more ridiculous than giving the third 10-9 to Sanchez imo.

 

[Shocktagon]

http://www.abcboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/juding_criteriascoring_rev0816.pdf

Here's a link to the revised judging criteria. I don't think the Sanchez win is at all egregious, all things considered.

 

[xx madskillz xx]

The 10-8 and 10-7 rounds with the new rules are going to fuck a lot of decisions up..Fuck Giorgi though he didnt do shit but hold on and the fake ass acting hurt with the illegal knees that hit his arm and the second 1 that barley touched him was pathetic.

 

[itheuser]

I still think it's ridiculous that we even have a system that gives a fighter a victory even though he is losing the fight by the widest margin at the end.

It actually encourages point fighting until the later rounds, and even in the later rounds the fighter who is ahead has less reason to press and take chances.

A fighter could be having his head caved in, and a second away from dying, and he would win the fight because of a takedown, or a few more pitter patter punches.

I'm still confused as to why those rules were adopted at all. What was the reasoning?

 

[itheuser]

Also, who cares, it was a terrible fight. These guys just don't seem to be great at anything, and end up exchanging positions, and flailing at each other on the ground. There's no sense of urgency or wanting to advance position. The seem content to just throw punches and hope it adds up to the judges.

 

[po_thead]

I'm not clicking that link...a 10-8 in that fight is laughable

 

[Mikey Palangio]

It's retarded statements like this that lead to bad judging. So if a fighter has full mount the whole round, or full back mount but throws 1 strike and his opponent 1 strike as well, the guy in the compromising position should win cause he was restrained?
Round 2 being 10-8 is prob more ridiculous than giving the third 10-9 to Sanchez imo.

The statement is not retarded, because the new judging system was put in place to deter Giorgi type of fighting. You can't just hang on somebody's back. You could be hanging on somebody's back to avoid the fight.

If Damian Maia has your back, then you are in a "compromising position," because he is going to try to strangle you. The new judging system is good, because it is judging what the fighter is doing to finish the fight, and not just a blanket statement of "giving up your back is a compromising position."

Giving up your back to Giorgi is not as compromising as given up your back to Damian Maia. So, why should Giorgi get credit for what Damian Maia is able to do? Giorgi needs to prove that, when he has your back, you are in trouble, and he didn't.

When a fighter is standing flat footed in front of a lethal striker, he is in a "compromising position," but the striker has to show the judge that his able to take advantage of that position.

This is what the new judging is about. Who is attacking or defending in a way to bring the fight to an end?

I love it.

 

[No Mas]

The statement is not retarded, because the new judging system was put in place to deter Giorgi type of fighting. You can't just hang on somebody's back. You could be hanging on somebody's back to avoid the fight.

If Damian Maia has your back, then you are in a "compromising position," because he is going to try to strangle you. The new judging system is good, because it is judging what the fighter is doing to finish the fight, and not just a blanket statement of "giving up your back is a compromising position."

Giving up your back to Giorgi is not as compromising as given up your back to Damian Maia. So, why should Giorgi get credit for what Damian Maia is able to do? Giorgi needs to prove that, when he has your back, you are in trouble, and he didn't.

When a fighter is standing flat footed in front of a lethal striker, he is in a "compromising position," but the striker has to show the judge that his able to take advantage of that position.

This is what the new judging is about. Who is attacking or defending in a way to bring the fight to an end?

I love it.

Don't think you can get more retarded than this. So basically your mentality is, takedowns and grappling don't matter - if someone has full mount on you for the round, but doesn't strike as much as you want him to, he should lose the round unless he is Demian Maia. Got it.

Thanks for you diatribe against grappling, but it doesn't mean much in terms of this fight or the new "judging system." The deciding factor here was the judges awarding a close round to Sanchez (the 1st, which understandable), but what is completely ridiculous was the 2nd being scored a 10-8, resulting in a 9-8, from two judges, in a round that was nowhere close to that. Rd3 had a better argument of being scored 10-8.