Learning offensive BJJ is next to useless in MMA.

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Sure guys like Maia has success with it, but he has been training his whole life on it, and its at the expense of time he could spend on being a better striker.

When you are in medical school, there are terms called "high-yield" and "low-yield". There is so much stuff to learn in medicine that you can not possibly learn it all for a test, so you study "high-yield" material. That is, material that will get you the most points on the exam using the least amount of time and effort.

What you have in BJJ is very low yield material. In today's time, you don't have to learn offensive BJJ at all, because you can spend less time learning how to defend submissions. If you have ever practiced judo or BJJ, it is NOT hard to "stall". In a BJJ tournament, of course you will lose points for it because of inaction. But in MMA, this is perfectly legal and it is alot easier to stop someone from trying to get a hold of you and submit you, it takes less effort to neutralize their attempt than it is for them to actively try and get a submission on you.

Then you can go to town on them with your superior striking skills. You can learn how to punch someone in the face effectively using much less training time as compared to learning how to submit someone.

BJJ was useful when noone knew how to defend against it. But now, everyone knows how, and the fact that you can sandbag against someone so easily, it is just not a priority to learn anymore. That is why you see a lot more boxer-wrestlers nowadays. MMA has evolved and the numbers of dominant offensive BJJ fighter will continue to decrease until there is no need for it.

Look at the top guys today: DJ, Cody, Aldo, Conor, Woodley, Bisping, Stipe. They are all boxer-wrestlers. Are they good at BJJ? No, they are not primarily offensive BJJ fighters. They simply know enough where they won't get submitted right when it hits the ground. This is the new elite archetype of MMA.
 
BJJ is great to have as an additional skill on top of everything else.
 
BJJ is great to have as an additional skill on top of everything else.
Shut your fucking fingers with that cop out answer.

Of course if you knew EVERYTHING you would be a better fighter. But time is limited, and there are tradeoffs. And as can be seen, spending time focusing on BJJ is a huge opportunity cost compared to learning more effective ways to fight.
 
Im not reading all that shit, but you're slow if you think passing someone's guard is useless.
 
Ask miesha Tate offensive jiu jitsu was useless in her fight against holm.. If it wasn't for that rnc she wouldn't have won the belt. Yes as time evolves jiu jitsu is easier to defend but as time goes on submissions will evolve along with the evolving submission defense it will be a never ending cycle

It's good to have a lot of tools in your pocket let's say you are getting owned in stand up and you can't take the guy down but you have a flying armbar that can surprise your opponent and get the job done
 
Ask miesha Tate offensive jiu jitsu was useless in her fight against holm.. If it wasn't for that rnc she wouldn't have won the belt. Yes as time evolves jiu jitsu is easier to defend but as time goes on submissions will evolve along with the evolving submission defense it will be a never ending cycle

It's good to have a lot of tools in your pocket let's say you are getting owned in stand up and you can't take the guy down but you have a flying armbar that can surprise your opponent and get the job done
Women division don't count. They are not elite. We are talking about at the elite level.
 
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Also are you saying Damian Maia would be a better fighter if he was a striker?

That means he would have been a lot worse of a grappler and the cycle continues.....:.

Anyway when a wrestler takes someone down and end up in guard or if a fighter knocks down an opponent and jumps in guard

The fighters active guard and closed guard can make it hard for the opponent to land punches or offense when a guy has a good offensive guard hunting for submissions. Or else you might get caught
 
Wait so passing the guard is useless?

Or are you one of those UFC bros who think throwing sub attempts from guard is bjj?

BJJ nuthuggers go too far, but you sound like you are going full retard.
 
Also are you saying Damian Maia would be a better fighter if he was a striker?

That means he would have been a lot worse of a grappler and the cycle continues.....:.

Anyway when a wrestler takes someone down and end up in guard or if a fighter knocks down an opponent and jumps in guard

The fighters active guard and closed guard can make it hard for the opponent to land punches or offense when a guy has a good offensive guard hunting for submissions. Or else you might get caught
That's why you learn wrestling and not BJJ. That way you wouldn't be at that predicament in the first place. Conor doesn't need to learn BJJ when he can KO these bums before it hits the ground.
 
Women division don't count. They are not elite. We are talking about at the elite level.
Chael sonnet vs Anderson silva 1 .. Silva getting owned for five rounds but the triangle saved him

I hope your trolling
 
UFC 1, now fuck off.
Reading comprehension, you need. As said in original post, it was useful when noone knew BJJ. Now everyone knows BJJ, and learning how to defend BJJ is easier than learning offensive BJJ. That is why I specifically said trying to specialize as a BJJ fighter is completely useless, with supporting evidence. Now if you can't give sound reason otherwise, then shut your fingers.
 
Wrong. See Pena vs Zingano for a high level BJJ practitioner tying up and gaining the superior position over a wrestler.
 
This is stupid.

How would Gall have beaten Sage without BJJ? How would Bendo have beaten Thatch? Etc... there are still lots of submissions happening in the UFC.

If your point is that at the highest levels it's hard to submit people, NO SHIT. When you fight better opponents you will have a tougher time imposing your will, what a revelation.
 
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