Stipe Miocic is the living proof that a pro boxer with TDD would become UFC champ

[20falarVerdades]

Stipe was a regional Golden Gloves champion. Even though this is only a low-level accomplishment, it puts him leagues ahead of most MMA fighters. In fact, he has knocked out pretty much all of his opponents with very basic boxing skills. Naive posters will point out that pro boxers would just get taken down and submitted, but they are missing some important points:

Plenty of boxers have wrestled/grappled before, take Lomachenko for instance, he used to be a grappling prodigy. Pro Boxers are A-level athletes, so it is natural for them to have excelled in other sports as youngsters. The thing is, the money in boxing is just that much better, MMA fighters are paid pennies on the dollar, there is no reason at all for a young A-level athlete go work for Dana.
On top of that, Pro Boxers have incomparable work-ethic, with as little as one year of training they could develop very sound grappling skills. As ESPN acknowledges, boxing is the most demanding sport.

http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

 

[Uncle Frank]

No he isn't, there are less kickboxers at heavyweight because they're such poor athletes, there are too many different styles to conclusively say that. Nate is a primary boxer but he got chewed up on the feet by Dos Anjos, Stipe is a primary boxer yet he got finished by Struve.

 

[BlankaPresident]

JDS did it first.

 

[sirmorbach]

Ok, seriously, what's behind this new found boxing obsession on Sherdog?

 

[Emjay]

People don't understand what Golden Gloves is

 

[KillingJoke]

Golden gloves lol

 

[TonyAlvein]

Cala a boca cara, não fala besteira

 

[20falarVerdades]

No he isn't, there are less kickboxers at heavyweight because they're such poor athletes, there are too many different styles to conclusively say that. Nate is a primary boxer but he got chewed up on the feet by Dos Anjos, Stipe is a primary boxer yet he got finished by Struve.

Nate Diaz is not a pro boxer nor does he have good TDD. He's a gatekeeper MMA fighter with an unhealthy obsession with cannabis. You missed the whole point of the thread

 

[mastodon06]

I said pro boxer was also a D1 wrestler, then you might be right.

 

[Uncle Frank]

Nate Diaz is not a pro boxer nor does he have good TDD. He's a gatekeeper MMA fighter with an unhealthy obsession with cannabis. You missed the whole point of the thread

Neither is Stipe a pro boxer, he actually got outboxed by JDS who got destroyed twice by Cain, another example of your poor theory.

 

[Peteyandjia]

To write Stipe off as a simple 'Boxer with TDD' is a disservice to what MMA is. It takes a long time to develop the kind of well-rounded skill he shows in the cage, and even then a lot of people won't pick up on it. It's not as simple as taking any good Boxer, giving him a little 'TDD' as if that's easy against skilled wrestlers, and then throwing him into the UFC.

Even if a Boxer had good TDD, he wouldn't have escaped Overeem's guillotine; that required the kind of effort & practice Stipe has put into Jiujitsu, and a fighter would have to have some aptitude for that as well.

 

[Chain Saw]

No he isn't, there are less kickboxers at heavyweight because they're such poor athletes, there are too many different styles to conclusively say that. Nate is a primary boxer but he got chewed up on the feet by Dos Anjos, Stipe is a primary boxer yet he got finished by Struve.

Overeem is the most decorated kickboxer to fight in the UFC.

 

[DomiDomi]

He was a division I wrestler.

And Schaub says it's virtually impossible to submit him, so at the very least his BJJ is good defensively.

 

[thedevious]

"TDD" is such a useless term in this context that does no justice at all at what it takes to stay off the floor in MMA. Ask Stipe what his training is like and he will, without question, talk about a hell of a lot more than "boxing and TDD."

 

[RaskeDanzig]

Stipe is living proof that Stipe Miocic is good enough to be UFC champion

 

[accolyte1022]

Cala a boca cara, não fala besteira

That's not very nice.

 

[20falarVerdades]

Neither is Stipe a pro boxer, he actually got outboxed by JDS who got destroyed twice by Cain, another example of your poor theory.

Stipe knocked out 90% of the HW division just by being a sorta accomplished amateur boxer and part-time fire fighter. An A-level pro boxer would fare even better

 

[FlowchartKen]

Stipe was a regional Golden Gloves champion. Even though this is only a low-level accomplishment, it puts him leagues ahead of most MMA fighters. In fact, he has knocked out pretty much all of his opponents with very basic boxing skills. Naive posters will point out that pro boxers would just get taken down and submitted, but they are missing some important points:

Plenty of boxers have a wrestled/grappled before, take Lomachenko for instance, he used to be a grappling prodigy. Pro Boxers are A-level athletes, so it is natural for them to have excelled in other sports as youngsters. The thing is, the money in boxing is just that much better, MMA fighters are paid pennies on the dollar, there is no reason at all for a young A-level athlete go work for Dana.
On top of that, Pro Boxers have incomparable work-ethic, with as little as one year of training they could develop very sound grappling skills. As ESPN acknowledges, boxing is the most demanding sport.

http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

Agreed 100%.

I've been a fan of the UFC since day 1, and I've always thought the same thing. An elite boxer with excellent TDD would clean up. Basic amateur boxers with TDD like Stipe and Conor are proof of that.

And yeah, elite boxers are the cream of the crop of all athletes. To be a true elite boxer you have to have everything - speed, power, timing, accuracy, stamina, toughness, work ethic, patience, and courage.

You're right about the work ethic too. Most of them have been training like pros since they were little kids. You have to be supremely dedicated and work very hard to be a good pro boxer.

 

[jmd69]

Ok, seriously, what's behind this new found boxing obsession on Sherdog?

Boxing is dying and some guys are trying to keep it alive by talking about it....hahaha

 

[Chain Saw]

Stipe knocked out 90% of the HW division just by being a sorta accomplished amateur boxer and part-time fire fighter. An A-level pro boxer would fare even better

Keep in mind, Stipe is also a collegiate wrestler.