WW Division -- Who's #1 really? -- GSP, Woodley, Thompson, Maia?

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Forget the contrived notion of "belts"...
Put aside who 'deserves' what...
Put aside all-time greatness, that's a different discussion...

Your genuine opinion --
Who do you think is the best Welterweight right now? And #
2, 3, 4, 5?
  • Demian Maia
  • GSP
  • Tyron Woodley
  • Wonderboy Thompson
  • Lawler, other
What's what?





Mods, a poll would be appreciated, thanks.
 
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# 1 Wonderboy

#2 Maia



*Maia beats EITHER Woodley or Wonderboy for the belt though imo.
 
Even tho he just lost, I still put Lawler in that discussion.
 
Wonderboy, followed closely by Maia.
 
Wonderboy is and will be the UFC WW Champion of the world, as soon as Woodley stops running and hiding from him.
 
GSP...
we know his credentials, close fight with Hendricks in his last fight in 2013
Last lost to Matt Serra in 2007​

Woodley...
current UFC Champ, KO'd Lawler, split decision vs Gastelum, KO' Stun Gun
Last lost to Rory in 2014​

Maia...
six straight wins, subbing Condit, Matt Brown, and Magny along the way, +Gunnar, LaFlare
Last lost to Rory in 2014​

Thompson...
seven straight wins, finishing Hendricks, Whittaker and Ellenberger along the way, +Rory, Cote
Last lost to Matt Brown in 2012​
 
So you have the UFC Champ as #6.

Respkt
I think if Woodley was matched up with any of those 5 he loses to most of them most of the time.
Matt Serra was the WW champion but I don't think too many people ranked him as a better fighter than GSP even after his win at UFC 69. Hell I think most people had Matt Hughes ahead of him too. Being champion doesn't automatically mean you are the best in your division.

Further proof. Rank these 5 MWs in the UFC

Jacare
Romero
Bisping
Rockhold
Weidman

Is The Count your default #1?
 
The world is already proper. Woodley is the rightful King.
 
I think Thompson is a bad matchup for Woodley. But Woodley is a bad matchup for Maia. When it comes to Thompson vs Maia l think Thompson can just stick and move on Maia all night. With all that said l think Woodley has the best overall skill set of all three. We all know what GSP can do. But he's been out for three years now.

If I have to pick it's between Thompson and Woodley. This fight will answer that question. I really like Thompson's movement. It's the way he called Woodley out saying l got your number. But l think Woodley can mix up his strikes and takedowns and beat Thompson too. I'm on the fence with these two.
 
I give ESPN credit.
Despite Tryon Woodley owning the UFC Title, they don't automatically rank him #1.

Respect.



ESPN MMA Rankings - August [19], 2016 (before Larkin > Magny)

WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION (UP TO 170 POUNDS)

1. Stephen Thompson (13-1)
Thompson followed up his first-round knockout of Johny Hendricks in February with a tactical, five-round win over Rory MacDonald in June. Once just a "fun" player at 170 pounds, Thompson has a very real shot at winning a UFC championship this year.
Next: TBD

2. Tyron Woodley (16-3)
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Woodley enjoyed the finest moment of his career at UFC 201, knocking out Robbie Lawler in the first round of a championship fight. Despite the belt, he remains ranked just behind Thompson, who has been more active recently against the top of the division.
Next: TBD

3. Robbie Lawler (27-11)
It wasn't Lawler's night at UFC 201. Whether that was the result of one mistake against Tyron Woodley or the first evidence of his previous wars coming back to haunt him is up for debate. For what it's worth, Lawler says it's the former.
Next: TBD

4. Rory MacDonald (18-4)
In his first appearance since a taxing TKO loss to Robbie Lawler in 2015, MacDonald couldn't get much going against the tricky Stephen Thompson. He's still well shy of 30, but the damage he's taken in his last two fights is a bit worrisome.
Next: TBD

5. Demian Maia (23-6)
It sounds crazy, but Maia is stringing together the best performances of his career in his late 30s. It's easy to underestimate him due to the awkwardness of his striking, but as long as he's getting opponents to the floor, he's close to unbeatable. And lately, he has been getting every single one of his opponents to the floor.
Next: UFC on Fox on Aug. 27, vs. Carlos Condit

6. Carlos Condit (30-9)
Condit loses no ground in the rankings following his split-decision loss to UFC champion Lawler. If anything, he proved his high rank beyond any doubt in defeat. He is 2-4 in his last six fights, however. He'll look to get back in the win column in August.
Next: UFC on Fox on Aug. 27, vs. Demian Maia

7. Ben Askren (15-0)
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Askren rolled (and grappled) to a five-round unanimous decision over Nikolay Aleksakhin in April. The ONE Championship welterweight title sure appears to belong to him as long as he wants to hold it.
Next: TBD

8. Neil Magny (18-4)
Despite one win after another, Magny has mostly flown under the radar during his UFC career. Not anymore. Winner of 10 of his last 11, including victories over Kelvin Gastelum and Hector Lombard, makes Magny a clear top-10 welterweight.
Next: UFC 202 on Aug. 20, vs. Dong Hyun Kim

9. Andrey Koreshkov (19-1)
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Bellator MMA's 170-pound champion is coming off the biggest win of his career, an absolutely dominant five-round performance against Benson Henderson. Koreshkov won't face the same level of consistently high competition as the UFC champ will, but his 19-1 overall record is obviously outstanding -- and he appears to be improving between every fight.
Next: TBD

10. Dong Hyun Kim (12-3-1)
Kim is 6-1 in his last seven fights, with his only loss coming via first-round KO to Tyron Woodley. The South Korean has only lost to upper echelon talent. A signature win in his next fight would have him moving up quickly.
Next: TBD

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/12885899/espn-division-division-rankings-welterweight
 
Maia is not above lawler in any universe

Robbie
Wonderboy
Rory
Woodley
Maia
 
Wonderboy is probably the best.

Cerrone is 2nd best.

All the top guys have severe kryptonite issues though.
 
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