Proof that Round 3 was NOT a 10-8 (SLOW MOTION CLIPS)

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The current rules and regulations stipulate that
  1. a round is to be scored as a 10-8 round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
Those who promote the idea that this was a 10-8 round for Nate are falling victim to two traps, first the trap of final minute bias and round amnesia, in which they remember only the end of the round and forget about all the effective striking/grappling before that. And secondly, to the trap of Joe Rogan hype, where they live the fight vicariously through Joe's voice and assume that whenever he is going off the most, is when the most pivotal action is happening. In the interest of science, I have removed the audio from the fight and slowed the video down, so we can see and tally the total amount of effective strikes in round 3. We are going to keep a tally of significant strikes, as well as insignificant strikes. Significant strikes are strikes that either land flush, or if they land glancing, land with enough power to still hurt the opponent. Insignificant strikes are either weak strikes that land clean but constitute only an annoyance, or glancing strikes that don't connect well enough to hurt the opponent. Strikes will be therefore noted as either (sig) or (insig)

Conor open's up with a clean leg kick (sig)



Nate connects with a glancing left (insig)



Nate lands a left at the end of his reach that Conor rolls with (insig)



Conor lands an elbow (sig), Nate responds with a glancing right (insig), Conor replies with a clean overhand left (sig), and a clean right (sig)



Conor lands another flush leg kick (sig)



Conor lands a clean left counter (sig)



Nate lands a stockton slap (insig) and Conor responds with a left but Nate rolls with it well (insig)



Nate lands three weak punches in the clinch (insig x 3) and Conor responds with a weak knee to the body (insig)



Nate lands two more weak punches in the clinch (insig x 2) and Conor responds with a hard elbow (sig)



Conor lands two clean leg kicks (sig x 2)



Conor lands a glancing left counter (insig) and then misses with the right.



Conor lands a leg kick (sig), Nate responds with a stockton slap (insig) and then follows that up with a knee (sig), as Conor comes back with a counter left (sig)



Nate lands a left hook (sig) then follows up with a weak jab that Conor rolls with (insig)



Nate lands four weak punches in the clinch (insig x 4)



Nate's first flurry, lands five clean punches (sig x 5) and three weak punches (insig x 3)



There is an overlap in the following clip with the previous clip, two of those punches have already been counted, but Nate follows up with one clean shot (sig) and two glancing shots (insig x 2)



Nate's punch to the body is blocked but he follows up with a clean shot up top (sig) while Conor barely ducks out of the way of other incoming shots.



Nate lands a shot to the body (sig), a hard knee to the body (sig), then follows up with a punch to the face (sig), then another glancing punch to the face (insig)



Nate lands three glancing shots that Conor rolls with (insig x 3) and one clean right hook as the round ends. (sig)



This leaves us with a final tally of

Conor: Significant strikes: 11, Insignificant strikes: 3
Nate: Significant strikes 13, Insignificant strikes: 24

So as we can see, Nate clearly won the round, but due to the fact that he only landed two more significant strike than Conor and the fact that the bulk of his shots were either glancing, weak pitter patter punches in the clinch, or at the end of his reach as Conor rolled away from the shot, there isn't enough of a scoring disparity here to score it as a 10-8 round.

The fightmetric statistics are clearly inferior to the slow motion footage approach, their method classes both a glancing, weak jab, as well as a flush haymaker bomb that knocks the opponent down, as "significant strikes", thus giving them both a statistical parity which they obviously don't deserve.They do this because they produce their statistics in real time and don't have time to go over the footage and watch it in slow motion to differentiate between actual significant strikes and weak/glancing blows.

If you are going to score round 3 a 10-8, then round one AND round two must both be 10-8s for Conor, based on the huge disparity in significant strikes in those rounds. Conor outstruck Nate in the first and second more than Nate outstruck Conor in the third.

In short, it is undeniable that round 3 was a 10-9 round for Diaz.
 
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Clearly a 10-8 for Nayt, Rogan was screaming and everything.
 
Nice job. A good question is what actually indicates a 10-8 with no TD or KD.
 
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Thanks. I had it 49-46 Diaz but it's a clear 50-44.
 
From those clips Nates best work came just 1 minute from the end. Good round from Nate. Conor defended well enough. I think Nates punches looked bit weak to be honest there almost like slaps around the ears and side of the head.
 
The only thing this proves is ts has too much gd time on his hands. Get a job hippy.
 
All jokes aside, while I think you failed to acknowledge that judging significant vs insignificant shots is highly subjective.....
Good job.
 
Didnt read a word or even wait for the gifs to load but im giving you a like because that probably took forever to type and your name is Master Wong
 
Its funny how some people count Nate's slap for significant strike XD
 
Nice job. A good question is what actually indicates a 10-8 with no TD or KD.
Some of the Roy Nelson rounds were he fails to connect and just gets the zombified shit beat out of him for five minutes while scientists speculate what his skull is made of.
 
Nice job dude, well thought out! On to the question: Do you work? Have any responsibilities? Or do you have endless free time to make arguments against people with opposing views in web forums?
 
The current rules and regulations stipulate that
  1. a round is to be scored as a 10-8 round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
Those who promote the idea that this was a 10-8 round for Nate are falling victim to two traps, first the trap of final minute bias and round amnesia, in which they remember only the end of the round and forget about all the effective striking/grappling before that. And secondly, to the trap of Joe Rogan hype, where they live the fight vicariously through Joe's voice and assume that whenever he is going off the most, is when the most pivotal action is happening. In the interest of science, I have removed the audio from the fight and slowed the video down, so we can see and tally the total amount of effective strikes in round 3. We are going to keep a tally of significant strikes, as well as insignificant strikes. Significant strikes are strikes that either land flush, or if they land glancing, land with enough power to still hurt the opponent. Insignificant strikes are either weak strikes that land clean but constitute only an annoyance, or glancing strikes that don't connect well enough to hurt the opponent. Strikes will be therefore noted as either (sig) or (insig)

Conor open's up with a clean leg kick (sig)



Nate connects with a glancing left (insig)



Nate lands a left at the end of his reach that Conor rolls with (insig)



Conor lands an elbow (sig), Nate responds with a glancing right (insig), Conor replies with a clean overhand left (sig), and a clean right (sig)



Conor lands another flush leg kick (sig)



Conor lands a clean left counter (sig)



Nate lands a stockton slap (insig) and Conor responds with a left but Nate rolls with it well (insig)



Nate lands three weak punches in the clinch (insig x 3) and Conor responds with a weak knee to the body (insig)



Nate lands two more weak punches in the clinch (insig x 2) and Conor responds with a hard elbow (sig)



Conor lands two clean leg kicks (sig x 2)



Conor lands a glancing left counter (insig) and then misses with the right.



Conor lands a leg kick (sig), Nate responds with a stockton slap (insig) and then follows that up with a knee (sig), as Conor comes back with a counter left (sig)



Nate lands a left hook (sig) then follows up with a weak jab that Conor rolls with (insig)



Nate lands four weak punches in the clinch (insig x 4)



Nate's first flurry, lands five clean punches (sig x 5) and three weak punches (insig x 3)



There is an overlap in the following clip with the previous clip, two of those punches have already been counted, but Nate follows up with one clean shot (sig) and two glancing shots (insig x 2)



Nate's punch to the body is blocked but he follows up with a clean shot up top (sig) while Conor barely ducks out of the way of other incoming shots.



Nate lands a shot to the body (sig), a hard knee to the body (sig), then follows up with a punch to the face (sig), then another glancing punch to the face (insig)



Nate lands three glancing shots that Conor rolls with (insig x 3) and one clean right hook as the round ends. (sig)



This leaves us with a final tally of

Conor: Significant strikes: 11, Insignificant strikes: 3
Nate: Significant strikes 13, Insignificant strikes: 24

So as we can see, Nate clearly won the round, but due to the fact that he only landed two more significant strike than Conor and the fact that the bulk of his shots were either glancing, weak pitter patter punches in the clinch, or at the end of his reach as Conor rolled away from the shot, there isn't enough of a scoring disparity here to score it as a 10-8 round.

The fightmetric statistics are clearly inferior to the slow motion footage approach, their method classes both a glancing, weak jab, as well as a flush haymaker bomb that knocks the opponent down, as "significant strikes", thus giving them both a statistical parity which they obviously don't deserve.They do this because they produce their statistics in real time and don't have time to go over the footage and watch it in slow motion to differentiate between actual significant strikes and weak/glancing blows.

If you are going to score round 3 a 10-8, then round one AND round two must both be 10-8s for Conor, based on the huge disparity in significant strikes in those rounds. Conor outstruck Nate in the first and second more than Nate outstruck Conor in the third.

In short, it is undeniable that round 3 was a 10-9 round for Diaz.


Appreciate the work you put into this. Good stuff.

My contention is that if this is a 10-8 round then how are rounds 1 (knockdown and large strike disparity) and rounds 2 (two knockdowns) not a 10-8 for Conor?
 
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