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assuming his career went exactly the same way.
I think JDS was so close to being right below Fedor.
I think JDS was so close to being right below Fedor.
If Jds beat CAin in the 2nd fight and there never was a 3rd would he be #2 all time?
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JDS can still be ranked higher than Cain.. a ranking list doesn't mean that you would win against every guy below you, it's based off the evaluation of a career as a whole. Styles make fights, it's why MMA math hasn't and never will work. At Cain's rate of 1 fight every 20 years JDS is sure to pass him if he keeps winning.
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Really if your looking at how things could have gone with JDS I think he actually over achieved vs Cain with that first KO when the latter had questionable tactics. To hope lighting strikes twice there is I think pushing things if you believe luck is a factor.
Indeed I think that dispite all the hype around Nog living via his chin I think tis actually more true of JDS. Until he started to decline Nog actually had very few fights were his chin/toughness earnt him a win(Crocop and Sapp basically) were as I think JDS depended on its vs Mirko, Nelson, Mir, Hunt, Stipe and Rothwell, granted so did his opponent in several of those fights but if your looking at "what if's" I think its much more potentially negative for JDS than positive with that and the very early finishes of Cain and Werdum.
Indeed I think that dispite all the hype around Nog living via his chin I think tis actually more true of JDS. Until he started to decline Nog actually had very few fights were his chin/toughness earnt him a win(Crocop and Sapp basically) were as I think JDS depended on its vs Mirko, Nelson, Mir, Hunt, Stipe and Rothwell, granted so did his opponent in several of those fights but if your looking at "what if's" I think its much more potentially negative for JDS than positive with that and the very early finishes of Cain and Werdum.
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nog didnt fight the top guys every single fight like jds has. Even Struve was a high level win compared to a lot of nogs wins. I hate saying that Im a pride fanboy but when you have rothwell now, 2 year past prime crocop, Nelson, Carwin, Mir, Cain, stipe, Hunt, Gonzaga and early blooming Werdum that is probably better than Nogs resume in terms of quality. sorry but i think its true.
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For what it's worth... Fight Matrix has Nog #11 and JDS #20 for all time.
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You can't just assume that though. JDS would have to be a completely different fighter to beat Cain a second time.
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Assuming JDS still had recent fights people would still incessantly hate on him , there is no escape from it , no matter what you do
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For what it's worth... Fight Matrix has Nog #11 and JDS #20 for all time.
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cant say that I agree with this look how high Weidman is. granted he beat THREE guys to get that high. its not really indicative of the actual body of work. spider twice, vitor and machida are his only outstanding wins. You cant count 17 year old uriah hall and munoz great anything but filler wins, yet he is ranked ABOVE Chuck and wandy? this list just isnt realistic and anyone who has beenw atching mma will say that Bones should be above everyone based on his dominance and no way is gsp #1 no fucking way.
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Say what you will, which is why I prefaced with "for what it's worth". This is an all time list and I'm sure they take into account Jones has not finished his career and can certainly rise.
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Better than Crocop, Kharitonov, Barnett, Ricco Rodriguez, Herring, Sapp, Werdum, Sylvia, Couture, Coleman?
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yes undoubtedly imo. While crocop, herring and barnett are all highly ranked wins the others are not. Sergei is an interesting case because he never really won anything of note but we all know he is like a modern day Hunt dude was a beast and could beat anyone on any given night. The couture and werdum wins arent that great in retrospective because randy was way past it and werdum wasnt werdum yet and when Fabricio got good he destroyed him. Im not dissing Nog, he was amazing and his legacy is cemented as one of the all time greats but I would have put JDS ahead of him in a heartbeat had the outcomes of those cain fights been different. without question.
