300lbs/150kg Powerlifter sparring against 120lbs/60kg MMA Fighter[Not McGregor vs The Mountain]

Eisenhans said:
Like 70% but full contact striking. No chokes (that was before MMA became big). It was pretty clear who the better guy was. And it didn't happen just once (otherwise I'd have said it's a fluke).

Now, I wasn't a hulking behemoth of a man back then, but neither were the other guys. Please don't imagine me being 350 and benching 700 or anything.
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Skills matter more than size. I am not disagreeing with you guys, but size matters as well. You get a very strong athletic dude, with decent cardio and he holds his own with a run of the mills MMA guy.

Obviously a top pro is a different catch in most circumstances.

Can any of you guys imagine that wee rat James Gallagher giving the mountain a hiding? I'm on an mma forum so I know the answers I will get lol
 
Dana's Moonface said:
Maybe you're right, but a man that size literally has the power to pull their heads off their shoulders. I am not talking about a fight on a rubber matt.
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Have you seen the video of the Mountain doing boxing sparring? He has literally no power in his punches. Awful, slow, powerless arm punches, and he gasses almost instantly.

He is strong, but strength isn't going to help him when he can't move, can't strike, and has no technique. Getting a trained fighter into a bear hug is easier said than done.

Size also only helps a little (very little) when it comes to chin.

Chuck Liddell was asked who would win a boxing fight between him and Manny Pacquiao. He said he is simply too big and there are weight classes for a reason.
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Well, Chuck is clearly a neutral, objective observer here....
 
Dana's Moonface said:
Skills matter more than size. I am not disagreeing with you guys, but size matters as well. You get a very strong athletic dude, with decent cardio and he holds his own with a run of the mills MMA guy.
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I don't know why laypersons say this, but it's wrong and you can pretty much go to any boxing, wrestling, karate or whatever gym and ask them about stories how they beat up some "Triple A athletes". Every gym has those stories, it happens often.

And the stuff about weight classes: It's really well-known that middle-weights don't necessarily punch lighter than heavyweight. And conversely, heavyweights aren't really that much slower in punching speed that the lighter classes. It's quite more complicated than that and it's been well-studied.

EDIT: Here's a study
https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/jqas.2006.2.2/jqas.2006.2.2.1004/jqas.2006.2.2.1004.xml

To quote:
Twelve boxers wore boxing gloves incorporating the bestshot System TM in six professional boxing matches across five different weight classes. The force of each delivered punch was measured across all rounds of all bouts. Mean punch forces delivered ranged from 866.6 N (Super Middleweight) to 1149.2 N (Light Middleweight) across the fights and was not significantly correlated with boxer’s weight.
 
A lot of Big Guys don't spar to their full potential due to respect. They are there to learn, not try and maim some guy 100 lbs lighter.

Again, if the gym is a top quality one with elite fighters/grapplers, then of course the big guy is fu**d. Not every gym has top fighters that weigh 120lb.

A heavyweight boxer hits harder than a middleweight and that's a fact! No middleweight can hit like Deontay Wilder, I don't care what a silly machine says.
 
n.diazismylife1999 said:
Have you seen the video of the Mountain doing boxing sparring? He has literally no power in his punches. Awful, slow, powerless arm punches, and he gasses almost instantly.

He is strong, but strength isn't going to help him when he can't move, can't strike, and has no technique. Getting a trained fighter into a bear hug is easier said than done.

Size also only helps a little (very little) when it comes to chin.


Well, Chuck is clearly a neutral, objective observer here....
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Yeah of course his punches are slow. Though was the dude he was sparring not a big guy himself?

Chuck would beat the snot out of Manny in a boxing ring. Too much size and he has good knowledge on how to throw his hands.
 
Wait, is the little guy like a legit wrestler or something? What are his credentials?

He's scrappy as heck at least lol.

I remember one time I was rolling with this mammoth 6'5 300 lb dude. I managed to pass his guard and get into side control but he literally just rolled the other way and threw me across the room lmao.
 
Great way for the little guy to get hurt and for the big guy to overestimate himself and for the little guy to overestimate his speed and cardio.

Really a bit lame in my expert Sherbro opinion.
 
n.diazismylife1999 said:
Have you seen the video of the Mountain doing boxing sparring? He has literally no power in his punches. Awful, slow, powerless arm punches, and he gasses almost instantly.

He is strong, but strength isn't going to help him when he can't move, can't strike, and has no technique. Getting a trained fighter into a bear hug is easier said than done.

Size also only helps a little (very little) when it comes to chin.


Well, Chuck is clearly a neutral, objective observer here....
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The Mountain is abnormaly strong, the thing is its just a completly different type of strength.
This video shows it the best
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Moving something heavy requires to just apply steady and large amounts of force but its just the complete opposite of explosivness.
Most people think that every big guy will throw haymakers like übereem, which is not the case.
I dont think some sherdogger is stronger than an elite strongman.
Is strength a factor in an untrained dude against untrained dude scenario, i would say for shure.
Not the only factor , but a factor.
 
capo245 said:
He won the worlds strongest man, the thing is its just a completly different type of strength.
This video shows it the best
[Its Timestamped]

Moving something heavy requires to just apply steady and large amounts of force but its just the complete opposite of explosivness.
Most people think that every big guy will throw haymakers like übereem, which is not the case.
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Yes, he is impressively strong, but his strength is far from directly transferable to fighting. That's not to say you'd want to be caught in a bear hug by him, or that he's harmless. But he's not going to be fucking up trained MMA fighters "just because" he's big and strong. Obviously anyone would rather go against a weak untrained person than a strong untrained person.
 
Dana's Moonface said:
A heavyweight boxer hits harder than a middleweight and that's a fact! No middleweight can hit like Deontay Wilder, I don't care what a silly machine says.
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So, you ignore reality and substitute your own why exactly? Note that Wilder wasn't measured in the study.
 
If the guys training with each other are normal, level-headed dudes then training with bigger or smaller guys is pretty good in my opinion. Different challenges and chances to work on different parts of your game, just like training with both newer and more experienced partners.
 
So a middleweight boxer hits like Tyson, Lewis, etc?

Why are there more one punch knock outs at heavyweight if small guys hit the same?

Reality is, the average heavyweight hits harder than the average middleweight. If you actually boxed, you would know this.
 
We also have no idea what the relative level of skill is between these two men, "MMA fighter" is a quite a broad term. This doesn't nnecessarily indicate what would happen in a wrestling match between Henry Cejudo and this powerlifter.
 
Shammon said:
Wait, is the little guy like a legit wrestler or something? What are his credentials?

He's scrappy as heck at least lol.

I remember one time I was rolling with this mammoth 6'5 300 lb dude. I managed to pass his guard and get into side control but he literally just rolled the other way and threw me across the room lmao.
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That's happened to me a heap of times. I was rolling with a 120kg white belt a couple of years ago and he went 100% in his rolls. Technique didn't matter much because my hooks and hips couldn't even sweep him due to his weight. He just laid on me until he forced an arm bar.

That's just bad etiquette. I'm 77kg and if I'm rolling with anyone 10kg lighter, I'm adjusting my strength to cater for them. What's the point in forcing a sub on someone that you would never get on someone your size?

Neither of you learn anything and you risk hurting the smaller dude.
 
spannered said:
That's happened to me a heap of times. I was rolling with a 120kg white belt a couple of years ago and he went 100% in his rolls. Technique didn't matter much because my hooks and hips couldn't even sweep him due to his weight. He just laid on me until he forced an arm bar.

That's just bad etiquette. I'm 77kg and if I'm rolling with anyone 10kg lighter, I'm adjusting my strength to cater for them. What's the point in forcing a sub on someone that you would never get on someone your size?

Neither of you learn anything and you risk hurting the smaller dude.
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To feed your ego and sense of self-worth.
 
Roljo said:
whatever people say, the size matters.
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When it's that enormous, yes, but it is very unusual to have such a massive difference between two men (unless one is morbidly obese, in which case weight isn't helping him). At around 180, the grappler would have easily dominated IMO.
 
People would buy gay porn based on this.
 
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