30 Admirals under investigation. Huge Navy scandal | Page 2

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  1. AgonyandIrony Silver Belt

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    May I ask you why you think corruption is decreasing?
     
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  3. Broken arrow Green Belt

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    Gotta get me some of that poop deck
     
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  4. Fawlty Silver Belt

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    The short answer is that it's incredibly difficult to actually measure corruption, and it's mostly done by perception, which is ridiculously subjectiv. Major modern efforts to measure & report it started around 1995. We've stayed consistently about where clear-thinking people would expect- below northern Europe & Canada but not anything like less developed countries, and we've stayed roughly consistent in the overall level of perception on corruption. But in this time transparency has increased significantly, if for no other reason than information becoming more public. People can't plot together nearly as easily as they used to. This means there are fewer places for corruption to hide. Recently Preet Bharara was going hard against corruption from the southern district of NY (they have a giant influence).

    But the way I see it is that if corruption were actually increasing, our perceptions of corruption would be increasing significantly, because of an increase in information. If our perceptions of corruption decrease or stay the same while our information increases, then it almost has to be the case that real corruption is decreasing- or at most is staying constant. There isn't much room for corruption to grow.

    That could change in the coming years because the regulatory environment is changing, so we'll have to see what happens while an incredibly corrupt person runs the country. Side note, but worth thinking about: There's a sweet spot in regulation when it comes to corruption. Too little regulation and obviously it goes unchecked. Too much regulation and you have a red tape bribery nightmare.
     
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  5. Rhood Silver Belt

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    It'd be great if our military generals weren't spending our tax dollars living like Saudi Arabian kings.
    General Petraeus had a problem with hookers his entire life.
     
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  6. BassAckwards Brown Belt

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    prostitution has always been around and affects peoples from all walks of life. all military members take trafficking courses every year as part of their general military training requirements and before pulling into ports. regardless of training, it still happens. just like DUIs; people know its wrong but they do it anyways. you cant blame the military as a whole; blaming them means you arent holding people accountable for their own actions. you can only train, remind, and reprimand so much....

    as for this incident; it was unfortunate. there were a bunch of measures that should have caught the things that were going on; the people on the top should have reported it but fat lennie greased the skids very well.
     
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  7. 7437 Gold Belt

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    Yes. This sort of thing is very common.
     
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  8. 7437 Gold Belt

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    The navy only has 160 admirals total.

    So about 20% of the brass in the navy are in on this single instance of corruption. One man corrupted 20% of the navy's highest leadership. I certainly hope that there are no other men who tried to bribe admirals, because it looks like it isnt very difficult.

    If 20% of the managers at a fact9ry were convicted of embezzlement, it would be called endemic to the culture. This os a disgustingly high number.
     
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  9. KONG-D'SNT-TAP Steel Belt

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    Nothing says hot like 12 year olds. Derp
     
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  10. Fawlty Silver Belt

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    Only one has been charged, but 30 are under investigation, which would include anybody who had significant contact with this contractor. We can't translate that into all 30 of them being corrupt. Though the fact that this guy had access to so many for a long time is troubling.
     
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  11. 7437 Gold Belt

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    I am sure that any admiral who had significant contact with him was offered a bribe. That means that at best, they did not report him. Luckily for the military, the UCMJ has something for all situations.

     
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  12. fonzob1 Brown Belt

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    This is Obama's "disciplined" military. Just like Obama's Secret Service that leaves lap tops in unsecure locations and lets idiots roam the white house lawn for 15 minutes.
     
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  13. 7437 Gold Belt

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    You think an admiral that had been in the navy for 23 years became corrupt because of obama?
     
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  14. GhostZ06 Gold Belt

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    this
     
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  15. fonzob1 Brown Belt

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    I think 8 years of Obama made various areas of the government more lax and corrupt than usual.
     
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    meh, semi fake news
     
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  17. 7437 Gold Belt

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    The article says the contract he got was in 2011. So 3 years of obamas administration. Corrupted a 23 year service. Sounds pretty fucking unlikely.
     
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  18. fonzob1 Brown Belt

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    Just speculating, but he could have seen the Obama writing on the wall and knew he could do whatever the hell he wanted. I mean Obama is the guy, after all, who instead of enforcing federal laws that made marijuana illegal helped banks normalize it when it started being decriminalized on a state level. Funny how this guy is getting caught now only after Obama leaves office.
     
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  19. Fawlty Silver Belt

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    That's a good point, corruption is much more serious in the military justice system and criminality can be called at a lower threshold.
     
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  20. klnOmega Black Belt

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    They sold classified info for hookers and watches.
    Traitors should be shot.
     
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