170 is the one division where the UFC champ might not be the best fighter

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    Not his fault, but Woodley has some questions around his status as the best 170 pounder in the world that I don't think any of the other UFC champions have. Both Ben Askren, undefeated and a higher level wrestler, and Rory McDonald, a former top talent who beat Woodley, could make their claims as being better than anyone else with some plausibility. And of course there is the shadow of GSP looming over the division as well.
     
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    WW has the most talent in MMA so it makes sense to me
     
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    Rory (again), Lima, Koreshkov > Woodley
     
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    You guys do know that Rory got his ass kicked by Lawler and Wonderboy, right?
     
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    You could say the same for every division except flyweight.
     
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    Wrong its LW. But everyone considers Tony the real champ anyway.
     
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    Yeah and Rory beat the fuck out of Woodley so I don’t know where you think this is going.
     
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    no,at LW
     
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    To add to what the above poster replied, he won more rounds against Lawler than Lawler won against him.
     
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    Lightweight.

    Ferguson
    Khabib
    Barboza
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    Conor = UFC Champ

    And as far as Head-to-Head, stylistically...
    Michael Chandler > UFC Champ, too. Maybe also Kevin Lee.
     
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    Conor probably goes 6-4 or 5-5 against the LW top 10. Not that we will ever get to see those fights.
     
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    You have a guy who's 1-1 against a gatekeeper, and 1-0 at Lightweight with zero fights against actual ranked contenders to get there as "champion"...
     
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    LW - Tony, Khabib
    WW - Rory, GSP (Askren is retired and never fought a top 5 fighter)
    MW - Mousasi

    You can even make a case for Minakov at HW, because he is undefeated. Come on!

    I am not a fan of Woodley's fighting, but he won the title fair and square and defended it against the fighters who truly deserved it at that moment: Wonderboy and Maia. Next it should be dos Anjos.
     
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    Rory wins 99/100 times
     
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    Thats basically the same with every division, ever. Maybe not in Mighty Mouse or Cyborgs case but they may be the only ones. Theres usually always at least one guy or girl out there who will be a terrible matchup for the champ. Styles do make fights. Bantamweight with Cody/TJ/Cruz is the perfect example.
     
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    It's overall wins, not just X guy beat Y once years ago.

    Woodley has better wins and has improved the most since their fight.
     
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    Yet only one guy went down in a bloody heap and needed to quit.
     
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    No I don't.

    Conor is the real Champ... UFC Champ, Lineal Champ
    But Conor is not the #1 LW in the world.

    Sometimes they're two different things. It happens.
     
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    Has dana confirmed or commented?
     
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