165 division announcement at 232

[BEATDOWNS]

Actually Bisping spoiled it on his podcast. He says someone from the company was working on a belt with the flag of every country every champion who has won one is from. Hence the Canadian and American flag teaser. So whoever guessed very generic, unoriginal belt, you where right.

Edit: Can't find it on YT, I personally have it on my podcast app. It's episode 103 of Believe you Me "MGJG Bisping" at around 34:30



That's the one

was there another one too with the flags?

Edit: found it


Really wish they would just leave it the way it is.

 

[blaseblah]

lol 'because he managed it' is not proof it was a good idea. 60 lbs is too big a spread, it's unfair.

Randy didn't "manage it". He wanted to be at HW. You're acting like he was stuck between weight classes which simply isn't true. He's an average sized LHW. There was nothing stopping him from staying at LHW except he didn't want to. He wanted and chose to fight bigger men.

This talk about 225 and a 60 lb spread exposes that you don't know how weight cutting works. If you created a new division, 99% of heavyweights would be able to fight there. JDS, Cain, Stipe, all these guys could easily cut to 225. Everyone except for the giant gorillas like Brock and Ngannou. You're basically saying it's not fair that Stipe and DC are in the same weight class as Brock and Ngannou. You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and you're also saying we should take the two weakest divisions in mma and make them even weaker.

Can you even name any fighters who are too big for LHW and too small for HW? Who is your idea even helping?

 

[VAfan]

Randy didn't "manage it". He wanted to be at HW. You're acting like he was stuck between weight classes which simply isn't true. He's an average sized LHW. There was nothing stopping him from staying at LHW except he didn't want to. He wanted and chose to fight bigger men.

This talk about 225 and a 60 lb spread exposes that you don't know how weight cutting works. If you created a new division, 99% of heavyweights would be able to fight there. JDS, Cain, Stipe, all these guys could easily cut to 225. Everyone except for the giant gorillas like Brock and Ngannou. You're basically saying it's not fair that Stipe and DC are in the same weight class as Brock and Ngannou. You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and you're also saying we should take the two weakest divisions in mma and make them even weaker.

Can you even name any fighters who are too big for LHW and too small for HW? Who is your idea even helping?

HW has always been weak historically, but there was a time about 5 years ago or so when LHW was actually considered something of a shark tank, so it hasn't always been a shallow division.

i have no way of knowing what % of HWs could (or would be) comfortable making a cut to 225, don't know about 99% but you could be right in terms of the general idea. this is basically the old debate for / against a SHW division, in a different form. the usual consensus is there isn't enough talent and yes the weakness of the HW division bears that out.

regardless of what weight class randy wanted to fight at, the fact was he fairly consistently 1) looked undersized at HW and 2) looked too slow at LHW. it's not true that he only bounced between weight classes when he wanted to, he was being chased at times. he was thoroughly outclassed in the speed department twice by chuck right before diving back into HW to take on sylvia for example. and he got manhandled twice at HW by much bigger guys (ricco and barnett) before going down to face chuck the first time. a lot of his moving was by necessity - he never really fit in nicely with either weight class which was my original point.

there is a reason why the other weight classes are only 15 lbs different (i.e. a reason for weight classes in general) - really the only good reason to argue against changing HW / LHW is the fact that there is so little talent in the heavies. start to pay these guys more money and that could change though, start drawing guys away from the NFL and other places - and then there's no excuse for a spread that big.

 

[EndlessCritic]

holy shit you're fucking retarded

Anyone who thinks the UFC needs to add a division other than 115lbs is a moron. Period.

 

[Toco]

Anyone who thinks the UFC needs to add a division other than 115lbs is a moron. Period.

115? who's the moron here, jesus...

 

[EndlessCritic]

115? who's the moron here, jesus...

Are you serious?

The ONEFc strawweight division is amazing. Pacio, Naito, Suzuki, Saruta, Kritsada, Silva. Not to mention Ochi just upset Sunabe at Rizin, and Murofushi and Kitikada remain top divisional contenders in Pancrase. Strawweight is deeper than it's ever been.

Casual detected.

 

[Toco]

Are you serious?

The ONEFc strawweight division is amazing. Pacio, Naito, Suzuki, Saruta, Kritsada, Silva. Not to mention Ochi just upset Sunabe at Rizin, and Murofushi and Kitikada remain top divisional contenders in Pancrase. Strawweight is deeper than it's ever been.

Casual detected.

I'm sure a division 10 pounds lighter than 125 would do wonders in the ufc

 

[EndlessCritic]

I'm sure a division 10 pounds lighter than 125 would do wonders in the ufc

Naoya Inoue is a superstar in boxing. Lighter weights are the key into Asia and Mexico.

 

[Toco]

Naoya Inoue is a superstar in boxing. Lighter weights are the key into Asia and Mexico.

the same way you say there is talent at 115, there is talent at 165 too. the thing is, 170 should have never existed, it doesn't make sense. 10 pound separation for each weight class is how things should have ever been

 

[EndlessCritic]

the same way you say there is talent at 115, there is talent at 165 too. the thing is, 170 should have never existed, it doesn't make sense. 10 pound separation for each weight class is how things should have ever been

Why would the difference in weight be by an absolute number over a percentage increase?

It would make far more sense if there was 10% in weight separating each weight class. ie: 125, 137.5, 151, 166, 182.5, 200.5, heavyweight.

This idea explains the current weight class system.

 

[Toco]

Why would the difference in weight be by an absolute number over a percentage increase?

It would make far more sense if there was 10% in weight separating each weight class. ie: 125, 137.5, 151, 166, 182.5, 200.5, heavyweight.

This idea explains the current weight class system.

because that's how it was always been. yeah a % could be more appropriate, but good luck changing all that. also 10% is a huge difference. around 7~8% would be better. the second biggest weight class difference is at 155-170 and guess what, there are many undersized oversized fighters. and that's why 165 would exist, to make it easier for some of these guys to make weight

the biggest difference is between 185 and 205, but 205 is dead so it doesn't have the depth to even start thinking about it

 

[EndlessCritic]

because that's how it was always been.

It has always been 135, 145, 155, 170, 185, 205. ie: Scaling increase between weight classes. 10-10-15-15-20. This makes far more sense than going 10-10-10-10-10.

 

[Toco]

It has always been 135, 145, 155, 170, 185, 205. ie: Scaling increase between weight classes. 10-10-15-15-20. This makes far more sense than going 10-10-10-10-10.

oh it has always been that, aside 125 and your 115 weight class. so 115 125 135 145 155. and you tell me it doesn't make sense? you're not making sense here right now, buddy