Opinion “Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism"

in a time where the leader of the United States would rather cuddle with Russia than align with its traditional allies
We don't live in such a time. Russia and the US have been engaged in a low grade proxy war in Syria, the US has been putting the squeeze on Russian allies in Iran, and the US has been pushing NATO members to beef up their militaries.

Compared to the Cold War, it's downright friendly, but by no reasonable measure are the two nations "cuddling".
 
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We don't live in such a time. Russia and the US have been engaged in a low grade proxy war in Syria, the US has been putting the squeeze on Russian allies in Iran, and the US has been pushing NATO members to beef up their militaries.

Compared to the Cold War, it's downright friendly, but by no reasonable measure or the two nations "cuddling".

Yeah, it's been real cuddly. Lol.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/...trump-and-putin-are-locked-in-a-macho-contest

It includes the early appointments of Russia hawks such as UN representative Nikki Haley and CIA director Pompeo; the first ever U.S. missile strike on Putin ally Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's military installation in April 2017; the abrupt closure of three Russian diplomatic facilities in the U.S. in late August (which Russia accurately described as "blatantly hostile"); the decision to send lethal weapons to Ukraine in December; a deadly counterattack on a group of Russian mercenaries in Syria in February.

A column Wednesday by The Intercept's Glenn Greenwald, who like me has long disagreed with the "Trump is a Russian puppet" narrative, contains a slightly different list of the Trump administration's anti-Kremlin actions.

The more recent moves -- the biggest ever expulsion of Russian diplomats from the U.S. following the poisoning in the U.K. of a former Russian double agent, the harshest ever sanctions imposed on a Russian billionaire (aluminum tycoon Oleg Deripaska), fresh anti-Russian appointments (Pompeo's move to State and John Bolton's elevation to national security adviser) -- merely continue this line of actions. They constitute an escalation but not a policy shift.

Pompeo was referring to "years of soft policy" on Russia under President Obama, which ended with Trump's election. And indeed, Obama pointedly rejected all the hostile actions that Trump has taken -- except hawkish appointments, which only led to the appointees' frustration. Pompeo's "now" is the Trump presidency itself.

The anti-Kremlin tenor of Trump's presidency is often written down to the Republican establishment's influence, to the advice of "grown men" in the administration. But, as my Bloomberg View colleague Tim O'Brien, an eminent Trump expert, has written, Trump rarely seeks advice or heeds it if it's volunteered anyhow; his Russian policy hasn't been imposed from outside.

Oh, it would also be nice if Germany pumps the brakes on Nord Stream II.
 
You guys really need to start leaving your domestic partisanship shit at the door when it comes to geopolitics. We are ONE fucking country, start acting like it.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/in...-changes-course-on-u-s-gas-imports-1540209647

BERLIN—Chancellor Angela Merkel has offered government support to efforts to open up Germany to U.S. gas, a key concession to President Trump as he tries to loosen Russia’s grip on Europe’s largest energy market.

Over breakfast this month, the chancellor told a small group of lawmakers her government had decided to co-finance the construction of a €500 million ($576 million) liquefied natural gas shipping terminal in northern Germany, according to people familiar with the meeting, giving a crucial nudge to a project that had failed to get off the ground for years in a country that gets most of its gas cheaply from Russia.

Mr. Trump has intensively lobbied Europe to buy significant amounts of LNG as part of his campaign to rewrite the terms of trade relations. German and U.S. officials said Berlin hoped embracing U.S. gas might help solve a protracted trade dispute and possibly even defuse threats by Washington to sanction Nord Stream 2, an unbuilt German-Russian gas pipeline that would double Russia’s existing gas export capacity to Germany.
 
Trump said he's a Nationalist so it's obviously bad. If he had said he's a patriot, people would find something wrong with that as well like they've done the last three years.

Trump ran on a Nationalist platform. Good on him for keeping true.
 
Trump said he's a Nationalist so it's obviously bad. If he had said he's a patriot, people would find something wrong with that as well like they've done the last three years.

Trump ran on a Nationalist platform. Good on him for keeping true.
Only racist could be a patriot of country found on racism. <TheDonald>
 
Wouldn't globalism or open borders be the opposites of patriotism?
 
Meh. Macron is Neo Liberalism's poster boy.

Not left though.

He s all for free trade and deregulation.

He s on the right economically, and wants to neutralise all that may oppose that, hence being on the left socially.

It s called neo-liberalism.

Not the left, boys. Get it right.

That's exactly what the money has turned both parties into.. Favor tgexsystem that makes the super rich richer, and favor the social decay that leaves real men to weak to speak up.
 
Why does it matter? Some dictionaries say nationalism is patriotism, so there.
If you hate Trump then you agree with the frog.
 
“Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism"

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According to Macron. When you think the left can't get dumber they suprise us and hit a new low:

French President Emmanuel Macron tore into “nationalism” in an apparent jab at President Trump during his Armistice Day remarks in Paris.
Speaking Sunday at the Arc de Triomphe beside Trump and other world leaders, Macron decried nationalism as “a betrayal of patriotism.”
“Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism,” Macron said. “Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. By saying our interests first ... we erase what a nation holds dearest, what gives it life, what gives it grace, and what is essential: its moral values."
Trump has faced criticism for referring to himself as a nationalist, comments that he doubled down on last week during a press conference.

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...tice-day-remarks-nationalism-is-a-betrayal-of

Lol, last I heard France is still selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.

Someone should tell Macron to shut his hypocrite mouth.
 
We don't live in such a time. Russia and the US have been engaged in a low grade proxy war in Syria, the US has been putting the squeeze on Russian allies in Iran, and the US has been pushing NATO members to beef up their militaries.

Compared to the Cold War, it's downright friendly, but by no reasonable measure are the two nations "cuddling".

Which is why I inserted 'would'. Maybe you would like to reevaluate :)
 
That's doesn't mean it's a cancer. Western countries will never install a dictator by the way. Nationalism is crucial to the survival of a country. Without nationalism your country turns into a multicultural society with power struggles. Treacherous leaders will then claim your country has no identity.

This is literally the ethos of the know nothing movement. Christ, in the 21st century. All this melting pot shit must've been a ruse.
 
Patriotism means allowing mass immigration and integrating into unaccountable international political superstructures, and if you disagree well then you're obviously a Nazi...or KONG...or JosephDredd.

Fixed for accuracy. <Goldie11>
 
Please name your counter-proposal.

The leader of the free world will be the sitting US president for the foreseeable future. You not liking him changes nothing. Lmfao at calling a Frenchmam leader of the free world
 
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