‘Not far from death’: BBC documentary shows dangers of weight-cutting

12ga. said:
I miss UFC with no weight classes. Sure MM would have no chance to fight but look on bright side at least we wouldnt have to deal with manlets like Conor thinking they are gods.
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Criticizes weight classes, singles out a fighter notably unconstrained by weight classes.
 
Bend NvR Break said:
Get on the scale then get in the cage. No time to rehydrate. That will stop ridiculous weight cuts quick.
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There would be a lot of idiots who get inside the octagon completely dehydrated, and that would put their health into much higher risk than cutting weight.
 
That was dull as fuck.. the guy fought really well at ACB last weekend though.
 
If anyone watched the documentary you noticed they NEVER ask the fighter why don't they just fight in a heavier divison. Basically they blame the UFC and rest of the MMA promotions and commissions for weight cutting. It was made to look like the fighters were being forced to cut to these dangerous weights.

Sure the promotions should do something to stop such drastic weight cuts, but if fighters would just collectively agree to not cut so much to get that " edge" . They'd all be on the same playing field. Just pisses me off that some fighters really whine about the weight cut, but it is truly their decision. They don't have to do it to such a degree. Lately some fighters that have moved up in class and aren't so depleted are doing better. Look at Cowboy, Gastelum and Whittaker all have moved up and are doing very well. Yes there's the argument of will they be able to beat the top guys in the division. But they also had issues at a lighter class being able to take punishment and/ or gassing.

Point being it's not all on the promotions. Fighters do have to take responsibility for themselves cutting so much weight. This documentary didn't mention that at all.

That being said ,one thing the promotions should do is drop the 125 lb class as nobody is even close to that weight. Then start at 135 and have classes every ten lbs apart. Stop the big jumps from 155 to 170 to 185 to 205. Just go 155, 165, 175, 185, 195 etc. That may help separate the huge 170s and 185, andake it more even.
 
bully4me said:
If anyone watched the documentary you noticed they NEVER ask the fighter why don't they just fight in a heavier divison. Basically they blame the UFC and rest of the MMA promotions and commissions for weight cutting. It was made to look like the fighters were being forced to cut to these dangerous weights.

Sure the promotions should do something to stop such drastic weight cuts, but if fighters would just collectively agree to not cut so much to get that " edge" . They'd all be on the same playing field. Just pisses me off that some fighters really whine about the weight cut, but it is truly their decision. They don't have to do it to such a degree. Lately some fighters that have moved up in class and aren't so depleted are doing better. Look at Cowboy, Gastelum and Whittaker all have moved up and are doing very well. Yes there's the argument of will they be able to beat the top guys in the division. But they also had issues at a lighter class being able to take punishment and/ or gassing.

Point being it's not all on the promotions. Fighters do have to take responsibility for themselves cutting so much weight. This documentary didn't mention that at all.

That being said ,one thing the promotions should do is drop the 125 lb class as nobody is even close to that weight. Then start at 135 and have classes every ten lbs apart. Stop the big jumps from 155 to 170 to 185 to 205. Just go 155, 165, 175, 185, 195 etc. That may help separate the huge 170s and 185, andake it more even.
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Check and mate British broadcasting cucks
 
cmon just move up a weight class ffs he wouldnt have trouble making weight, he would feel better and be healthier this is just stupid
 
Arm Barbarian said:
In all seriousness though, these guys dropping 30+ lbs for a fight should not be allowed to compete imo.

They need some sort of monitoring between fights, and if a guy gets up over 20lbs of his division weight, they should make him fight in the next class up.
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How about 50 lbs, as the Anderson Silva haters claimed he cut from 235 lbs to 185!!!
 
More weight classes wouldn't solve the cutting issue. It would just give folks a lower target to try and cut to, or to gain a couple more pounds of lean muscle to get to the next class, but their cut would be the same.
 
Arm Barbarian said:
raw


In all seriousness though, these guys dropping 30+ lbs for a fight should not be allowed to compete imo.

They need some sort of monitoring between fights, and if a guy gets up over 20lbs of his division weight, they should make him fight in the next class up.
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Drago was such a cold beast.
 
Leroy Jenkins said:
I hope the mainstream media sees weight cutting as barbaric, and they either get rid of weight cutting or minimize it as much as possible.
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Middle/high schooler/college/olympics cut weight too
 
SirKratos said:
There would be a lot of idiots who get inside the octagon completely dehydrated, and that would put their health into much higher risk than cutting weight.
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I said so quick not eliminate immediately. Those guys that attempt to game the system are going to be casualties and examples of why you don't try to beat the system.
eiyuu said:
How about 50 lbs, as the Anderson Silva haters claimed he cut from 235 lbs to 185!!!
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AS tops, tops was 215 maybe 220 after the holidays. 235 is Forrest Griffin, Rampage, Tito, Chuck, and Couture weights.

Franklin was about the same size as AS and Griffin dwarfed him.
 
TrevorLahey said:
Why sign up to be a fighter in a certain weight class if you have so much trouble making weight? The whole issue seems quite illogical, just like anything in life, don't be such a dullard, people need to use some sort of wisdom in their daily lives, why is it so hard for some people? Ignorance? Money? I don't really accept that.
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They do it because if they didn't they'd be walking into the fight vastly undersized in comparison with their opponent... because their opponent is going to cut weight. If you don't cut weight, you aren't likely to win at the elite levels. It's as simple as that. I don't get why Sherdoggers, who are mostly hardcore fight fans, don't understand this dynamic. Virtually no one cuts weight to gain an advantage. They cut weight to avoid being at a major size disadvantage.
 
Bend NvR Break said:
I said so quick not eliminate immediately. Those guys that attempt to game the system are going to be casualties and examples of why you don't try to beat the system.

AS tops, tops was 215 maybe 220 after the holidays. 235 is Forrest Griffin, Rampage, Tito, Chuck, and Couture weights.

Franklin was about the same size as AS and Griffin dwarfed him.
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Literally EVERYONE will "game the system"... because what's going on is a LOT more nuanced than that.

These guys are contracted to fight at below a precise weight threshold. But they're human beings, so they don't come in precise shapes and sizes.

So you're 1 lb over. Are you going to let the fight fall through, or lose a chunk of your purse and your path to a title shot over 1 measly lb? Or are you going to "game the system"?

Okay, then, so you're 2 lbs over. Are you going to let the fight fall through, or lose a chunk of your purse and your path to a title shot over 1 MORE measly lb? Or are you going to "game the system"?

Okay, then, so you're 3 lbs over. Are you going to let the fight fall through, or lose a chunk of your purse and your path to a title shot over 1 MORE measly lb? Or are you going to "game the system"?

Okay, then, so you're 4 lbs over. Are you going to let the fight fall through, or lose a chunk of your purse and your path to a title shot over 1 MORE measly lb? Or are you going to "game the system"?

Okay, then, so you're 5 lbs over. Are you going to let the fight fall through, or lose a chunk of your purse and your path to a title shot over 1 MORE measly lb? Or are you going to "game the system"?

Et cetera. Want the formula for how much fighters will cut? It's a simple one:

How much the fighter weighs - How much the fighter is contracted to weigh = how much the fighter will cut.

Going to same day weigh-ins will not change that formula.
 
jeremyemilio said:
Literally EVERYONE will "game the system"... because what's going on is a LOT more nuanced than that.

These guys are contracted to fight at below a precise weight threshold. But they're human beings, so they don't come in precise shapes and sizes.

So you're 1 lb over. Are you going to let the fight fall through, or lose a chunk of your purse and your path to a title shot over 1 measly lb? Or are you going to "game the system"?

Okay, then, so you're 2 lbs over. Are you going to let the fight fall through, or lose a chunk of your purse and your path to a title shot over 1 MORE measly lb? Or are you going to "game the system"?

Okay, then, so you're 3 lbs over. Are you going to let the fight fall through, or lose a chunk of your purse and your path to a title shot over 1 MORE measly lb? Or are you going to "game the system"?

Okay, then, so you're 4 lbs over. Are you going to let the fight fall through, or lose a chunk of your purse and your path to a title shot over 1 MORE measly lb? Or are you going to "game the system"?

Okay, then, so you're 5 lbs over. Are you going to let the fight fall through, or lose a chunk of your purse and your path to a title shot over 1 MORE measly lb? Or are you going to "game the system"?

Et cetera. Want the formula for how much fighters will cut? It's a simple one:

How much the fighter weighs - How much the fighter is contracted to weigh = how much the fighter will cut.

Going to same day weigh-ins will not change that formula.
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Same day would definitely force everyone or most at least a weight class up. Like I said you're get a couple people that try and game the system and they will pay heavily between losing fights because you're already drained yourself and serious health issues including death.

Fighter A walks out, gets on scale, weight gets confirmed (no second chances either you on weight or auto 20% deduction from purse), gets in cage.

Fighter B walks out, gets on scale, gets weight confirmed, gets in cage.

Lets fight.
 
Bend NvR Break said:
Same day would definitely force everyone or most at least a weight class up. Like I said you're get a couple people that try and game the system and they will pay heavily between losing fights because you're already drained yourself and serious health issues including death.

Fighter A walks out, gets on scale, weight gets confirmed (no second chances either you on weight or auto 20% deduction from purse), gets in cage.

Fighter B walks out, gets on scale, gets weight confirmed, gets in cage.

Lets fight.
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You are under the illusion that fighters actually weigh exactly 170 lbs, or 185 lbs, or 205 lbs. That illusion is created by weight cutting. That's not happening without weight cutting. Meaning that if you weigh in just prior to fighting one of two things is going to happen:

a) You're going to have not just some, but the majority of fights contested at something other than the contracted weight... which, sorry, isn't as easy as everyone just getting in the cage anyway. A fighter may not want to fight a guy who comes in overweight. A fighter may not want to fight for less than his contracted purse. They aren't fighting cocks, you can't force them to do combat.

b) You're going to have guys cut weight for these same day weigh ins. Not some. Most.

That's not happening because they're stupid or they're lazy or they're trying to game the system. That's happening because you've forced their hand with the unrealistic expectation that they can aim from three months out, eat, train, rest, and hit a target of a precise weight at a precise time on a precise day.

Try it. I challenge you. Weigh yourself tonight, record your weight, round down to the nearest 5, and then weigh yourself on May 20th at midnight, and be exactly that weight. No weight cutting. See how that works out.
 
rumble was the most despicable weight cutter ever, shame on anyone who supports him
 
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