Awesome use of effective MMA guards last night.

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Originally Posted by Forkfoot

I think it's a terrible strategy that sucks to watch. I personally blame the guy on the bottom for a boring ground fight every time. If you're a striker who can't get back to your feet in MMA it's because you're an inferior mixed martial artist.

right, and i think thats your agenda - you're mad at the idea that being on the bottom and being stuck means youre fcked (i alluded already that you prob think 'well, if you're on the bottom get up or dont complain' - but as ive tried to point out many times, the bottom guy is fcked if the guy on top is good enough, like a kos or georges

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Originally Posted by iamdissapoint

Effective guards have always been there. MM-Torres decision broke my heart when it was announced. Judges dont know a thing about grappling

that isn't all judges, but yes way too many don't, and that is the #1 reason we end up with bad decisions.
This is why there needs to be some sort of fighting/training requirement.
How do you really know how close a submission is to being locked in or finished if you haven't had it done to you and felt it.

I know at least one of the guys who trains refs/judges requires people without the background to go through several hours of demos. This is a good start, but personally it needs to be way more.

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Originally Posted by ABC

we constantly try to tell these young fighters and especially new grapplers this all the time. Calm down, explode into the techniques. This is one of those fights that needs to be bookmarked because it really does show how successful that can be.

well, as a beginner who sucks dick at grapppling, i can tell you that this happens to me, and it happens because i get nervous as hell

need to just chill and get experience - guys like jones and mcdonald dont seem to need experience as much as others, it doesnt seem real

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Originally Posted by AP_RESURRECTION

right, and i think thats your agenda - you're mad at the idea that being on the bottom and being stuck means youre fcked (i mentioned that already that you prob think 'well, if you're on the bottom get up bitch or dont complain' - but as ive tried to point out many times, the bottom guy is fcked if the guy on top is good enough, like a kos or georges

Yeah, if you're doing everything you can, including using an effective MMA bottom game, and you still lose, the other guy was just the better guy that night IMO. Condit has a very effective bottom game in my book, but it just wasn't good enough to beat GSP.

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Originally Posted by Forkfoot

Yeah, if you're doing everything you can, including using an effective MMA bottom game, and you still lose, the other guy was just the better guy that night IMO. Condit has a very effective bottom game in my book, but it just wasn't good enough to beat GSP.

right thats true - i get that daley should probably work real hard at this if he wants to be a force - i just dont know if thats possible at this point - i think what we are getting to is the reason why wrestlers with that great base and scrambling ability are the guys who are excelling in mma, as a whole

even the champs like aldo and anderson without ridiculous top control have the footwork to be able to keep the fight in their favor

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Originally Posted by AP_RESURRECTION

right thats true - i get that daley should probably work real hard at this if he wants to be a force - i just dont know if thats possible at this point - i think what we are getting to is the reason why wrestlers with that great base and scrambling ability are the guys who are excelling in mma, as a whole

even the champs like aldo and anderson without ridiculous top control have the footwork to be able to keep the fight in their favor

Maybe it is too late for a guy like Daley. I do hope that the younger guys coming into MMA are watching and learning from the bottom games guys are using effectively at elite levels the in the sport though.

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Originally Posted by Forkfoot

Maybe it is too late for a guy like Daley. I do hope that the younger guys coming into MMA are watching and learning from the bottom games guys are using effectively at elite levels the in the sport though.

yea i agree with that much - maybe you should pose it that way, that would make sense

[Forkfoot]

Originally Posted by iamdissapoint

Effective guards have always been there. MM-Torres decision broke my heart when it was announced. Judges dont know a thing about grappling

If Torres hadn't been playing the tired old guard game I keep ragging on in this thread he wouldn't have had to pray that judges appreciate submission attempts. I do think he won that fight, but fighters can only control what they do in the cage, not what the judges see.

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Originally Posted by AP_RESURRECTION

well, as a beginner who sucks dick at grapppling, i can tell you that this happens to me, and it happens because i get nervous as hell

need to just chill and get experience - guys like jones and mcdonald dont seem to need experience as much as others, it doesnt seem real

it comes with time. After you have been tapped out a few hundred times and you get more comfortable, it becomes much easier.

Just remember, gym wins don't mean crap.

You wouldn't believe the amount of high school wrestlers that have the same issue (and many of them are pretty good).