Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums

Go Back   Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums > Fight Discussion > Worldwide MMA Discussion

Worldwide MMA Discussion This is the place for all non-UFC/WEC/Pride events, including Strikeforce, Affliction, HDNet Fights, Cage Rage, KOTC, ROTR, Shooto, and the like.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-04-2014, 12:58 AM   #31
eseseses681

Orange Belt
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 268
vCash: 500
Shlemenko's one of my favorite fighters. He's one of the few guys that actually attacks the body with regularity, he's got improving boxing, he's got good kicks (the second he gets a knockout with a roundhouse kick to the body he's gonna shoot up my favorite fighters list by a lot), he's got that ridiculous Fedor-esque Russian strength (seriously, the amount of times he's actually been overpowered in a fight is very low considering the big guys he's fought at middleweight, especially since people keep saying he's a welterweight), he's slowly assisting in the dispelling of the "not gigantic for one weight class = perfect for the immediately-lower weight class" myth, he's got a lotta heart and a good chin, he's got a receding hairline even though he's only 29 (it's funny)... he's great.

He'd be better suited for 178 than he would be for 170, I think. I think there's a reason he hasn't dropped down to 170, and it's beyond just never having been overpowered or an idealogical stance he may or may not hold. He's got a degree in sports science, so it's not like he has no understanding of maximizing athletic-potential and of how the body works or anything, and because of this I think he understands his body very well and I doubt that his body takes weight-cutting too well (the ability to cut weight well is as much a natural talent as fast hands are, and I think Shlemenko's natural ability to do it well isn't very high). A small weight-cut is probably best for him, which's why 178-ish would, ideally, be best for him to fight at, but since he can't fight there in any large promotion, 185's the best fit.

eseseses681 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2014, 06:23 AM   #32
UWanaPlayDaGame

Orange Belt
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 310
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by eseseses681 View Post
Shlemenko's one of my favorite fighters. He's one of the few guys that actually attacks the body with regularity, he's got improving boxing, he's got good kicks (the second he gets a knockout with a roundhouse kick to the body he's gonna shoot up my favorite fighters list by a lot), he's got that ridiculous Fedor-esque Russian strength (seriously, the amount of times he's actually been overpowered in a fight is very low considering the big guys he's fought at middleweight, especially since people keep saying he's a welterweight), he's slowly assisting in the dispelling of the "not gigantic for one weight class = perfect for the immediately-lower weight class" myth, he's got a lotta heart and a good chin, he's got a receding hairline even though he's only 29 (it's funny)... he's great.

He'd be better suited for 178 than he would be for 170, I think. I think there's a reason he hasn't dropped down to 170, and it's beyond just never having been overpowered or an idealogical stance he may or may not hold. He's got a degree in sports science, so it's not like he has no understanding of maximizing athletic-potential and of how the body works or anything, and because of this I think he understands his body very well and I doubt that his body takes weight-cutting too well (the ability to cut weight well is as much a natural talent as fast hands are, and I think Shlemenko's natural ability to do it well isn't very high). A small weight-cut is probably best for him, which's why 178-ish would, ideally, be best for him to fight at, but since he can't fight there in any large promotion, 185's the best fit.
you do have a point but with the way the sport evolved every guy who doesn't cut to the last pound will have a disadvantage facing huge massive powerful weight cutters. unfortunately.

__________________
"I'm just a humble motherfucker with a big ass dick" -- The Bunk
UWanaPlayDaGame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2014, 04:24 PM   #33
eseseses681

Orange Belt
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 268
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by UWanaPlayDaGame View Post
you do have a point but with the way the sport evolved every guy who doesn't cut to the last pound will have a disadvantage facing huge massive powerful weight cutters. unfortunately.
Preemptively stopping something that you're strong enough to prevent happening isn't a very smart strategy. I don't think you realize the kind of ridiculous strength that Shlemenko has considering his size. Any sort of disadvantage he would have would be almost completely stylistic and technical at middleweight, not about size or power.

eseseses681 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2014, 08:01 PM   #34
synyster

Purple Belt
 
synyster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,330
vCash: 500
too much contract bs he would have to loose his belt and have his contract expire, which is possible but as of now hes a bellator figher.. but who cares he has been putting on great shows like you said i dont care if its in the UFC or not

__________________
Always supporting: Genki | Saku | Fedor | Machida | Shlemenko | Minakov | Aldo | khabib
synyster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2014, 02:08 PM   #35
Killer ofTrolls

White Belt
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 26
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by synyster View Post
too much contract bs he would have to loose his belt and have his contract expire, which is possible but as of now hes a bellator figher..
I hope one day we could have undisputed champs in MMA, like in Boxing. You know, like when a boxer hold WBC and WBA and IBF and more titles of different ogs at once. Holding WSOF, BFC, UFC, and M1 sound nice. Having MMA champions from different orgs fight and actually compete for something sounds cool, kinda like the cross Blellator and World Series are doing now. Do you happen to know how many fights are left on Shlimenko's contract since you braught that up?



Quote:
Originally Posted by synyster View Post
but who cares he has been putting on great shows like you said i dont care if its in the UFC or not
Yeah, but there is practically nothing left for him at Bellator MW if he wins his next match. I want to see him challenged. Maybe a super fight with Rampage... Like I said on th elast page, he is not the same guy that faced Lombard and Jacare. A rematched against jacare would kick ass and chew bubblegum, he said he's down with it Who knows if he does transfer while still in his prime he might challenge Chris Weidman for.. the.. uuhOH SHIT WHAT HAVE I DONE IN COMING SHITSTORM!

Killer ofTrolls is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2014, 02:47 PM   #36
eseseses681

Orange Belt
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 268
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer ofTrolls View Post
Yeah, but there is practically nothing left for him at Bellator MW if he wins his next match. I want to see him challenged. Maybe a super fight with Rampage... Like I said on th elast page, he is not the same guy that faced Lombard and Jacare. A rematched against jacare would kick ass and chew bubblegum, he said he's down with it Who knows if he does transfer while still in his prime he might challenge Chris Weidman for.. the.. uuhOH SHIT WHAT HAVE I DONE IN COMING SHITSTORM!
They'll probably have Lima move up and fight Shlemenko (should Shlemenko beat Ward) if he beats Hawn (like I said, Shlemenko ain't built for welterweight and ain't gonna drop down; 178 would be one thing, but that extra weight he'd have to cut ain't good, and I doubt that Shlemenko'll ever drop down to welterweight unless he gets completely dominated at middleweight, which isn't that likely to happen on the level it may need to be done at). That'd be pretty cool. If Lima loses, they can say that he fought above his natural weight and that he was courageous for even taking the fight, and he's still their knockout-specialist welterweight champion, not to mention that Shlemenko's stock'll go up by a lot. If he wins, then they've got an exciting two-divisional poster boy champion for the promotion and, depending on what they all choose to do next, they could still make a bunch of money off of Shlemenko, should they force Lima to make a decision about which title to keep. Then, he could maybe drop down to welterweight-- it probably wouldn't be the best thing to do athletically, but if he lost to Lima it might make the most sense to him-- and win the welterweight title, or even regain the middleweight one should Lima choose to go back down to welterweight, or even rematch Lima and win back the MW title. Regardless, the end-result is still the same: Shlemenko remains a big figure in- and a big source of income for the promotion.

They might even have a Vegh-Shlemenko catchweight fight if Vegh beats Newton (again). Vegh DID weigh-in at 200 pounds against Wiuff; he came in at 205-ish for all his other fights before and since then, so whether that was just cuz' he accidentally cut more weight than he intended-- which happens on occasion-- the three months of weight-cutting and training made him very trim, or even if he intended to come in very light against Wiuff to get some extra speed or something, the end result is the same and it raises the plausibility of a 195-ish catchweight fight between the MW and LHW champs. However, Bellator's kind of made it clear that they don't want their champions to fight unless the title's on the line (it saves them a lot of money and hassle on marketing in the event that their champion should lose yet keep the title), so a catchweight fight probably wouldn't happen unless they decided to take a tip from boxing and put the titles on the line anyway, even if they weigh in at neither weight (which I'd be cool with; that's all just semantics anyways, and it's a pretty douchey thing to do if you to get frustrated at it).

If they do that catchweight thing where they put both titles on the line, I'd much prefer they do Shlemenko-Lima at 178 than Shlemenko-Vegh at 195-ish. Shlemenko would be perfect for a 178 lbs. weight class, and that would probably be the only opportunity to prove that principle.

eseseses681 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Latest Threads



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:34 AM.

Sherdog.com Forum Rules Clear Cookies Social Groups Lost Password
Contact Us - Sherdog Forums - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Top - AdChoices

Skin made by Alex. © iStyles.uni.cc Powered by vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
forums.sherdog.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.
monitoring_string = "fd5733925866a04e50edd70f38dfaa35"
monitoring_string = "603ac9fff68f23709f2a42bf5e29272b"