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Old 02-14-2014, 04:47 PM   #81
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Mousasi isn't nearly as athletic as Machida; that will be the deciding factor as far as takedowns are concerned.
says who? Mo's UFC record?

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Machida is not a judoka.
Sokoudjou is a judoka and Machida took him down.
Gegard took Soko down too, in a rather humiliating 101 leg-trip fashion to add.. go watch the fight, I bet u didnt even know Mousasi and Soko fought...

maan, you guys really need to stop wearing yourselves as hats with all your fkn opinions and expertise..

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Old 02-14-2014, 05:15 PM   #82
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I thought this was pretty Judo-ish

Plus the tito takedown I'm sure is part of Judo somewhere:


But yeah, all in all, Judo isn't a top portion of his game like his Karate, Wrestling, BJJ and Sumo are.
wrestling? What the hell are you talking about? I never seen machida goes for a double or a single leg takedown. He is everything but not wrestling.

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Old 02-15-2014, 01:33 AM   #83
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Moose again troll-facing



Exited for the fight!

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Old 02-15-2014, 02:25 AM   #84
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You do know that a Judo black belt is like three, four years of training, right? It's nothing like a BJJ Black Belt.
It takes a lot more then four years. I teach Judo and it takes a full year for each belt.

White, yellow, orange, green, blue, brown, black. If you are getting your black belt in less then 7 years, then you don't deserve it.

Rules for achieving black belt in Judo.

The requirements for dan promotion are more demanding and cover age, time in current grade, points total, and how those points were earned. To test for black belt, a person must be at least 15 years old, have been an ikkyū (brown belt) for at least one year, been active in Judo for at least three years with a valid association membership, and have 120 points. Points can be earned through competition, technical activities such as attending an instructional clinic or assisting with club development, volunteering at Judo events, and consistent class attendance on a yearly basis. They cannot be accumulated until after promotion to ikkyū, and they reset after each promotion. People under the age of 20 must earn at least one third of their points through competition. The number of points awarded varies with each activity and its details: a win in competition by ippon (one full match point), for example, is worth 10 grading points, whereas a win by waza-ari (half a match point) is worth 7 grading points. If all of these conditions are met, the person can register for their provincial or territorial association's next black belt grading. The examination requires: (1) demonstration of eight throwing techniques from the Gokyo, three hold downs, three strangles or chokes, and three arm-locks, all chosen by the examiners at the time of the examination; (2) demonstration of the ability to successfully apply such techniques at full force and speed against a resisting opponent in randori (free practice); and (3) demonstration of the first three sets of the Nage-no-kata as tori (the person executing the throws).[6]

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Old 02-15-2014, 03:43 AM   #85
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that deceptive machida left!

btw GIF 9 is what Silva used to defeat Belfort lol

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Old 02-15-2014, 04:15 AM   #86
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Who cares if Machida takes Mousasi down, he's just gonna eat some upkicks.

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Old 02-15-2014, 04:24 AM   #87
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If it takes you more than 2-4 years to get a black belt in judo, then A.) you are doing something wrong or B.) living in the Americas, where they have placed the status of a black belt on a pedestal.

Dan literally means "step" and first dan literally means first step.

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Old 02-17-2014, 08:59 AM   #88
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Too much to read. I just know Machida is not going to trip or TD Moose because Moose happens to also be a Judo Black Belt like Machida and has a strong stance.

Both Judo guys are going to cancel each other out.
you were wrong pal

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Old 02-17-2014, 09:07 AM   #89
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Ok, so a few more gifs and breakdown of this intriguing matchup between Machida and Mousasi. In first post I wrote about favourite Machida's techniques to initiate the exchange --> http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/91977577-post1.html In second we focused on what both fighters do in the clinch and what are Mousasi's three main weapons when he's fighitng off his back --> http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/91991371-post42.html

Now, let's quickly check how does Machida actually counter.



And that's pretty much all. So when he awaits for the opponent in his default southpaw stance he counters with either:

- left straight to the head (and if successful then he follows it up with other punches)
- left stepping knee to the body

That's it, no real hooks, no uppercuts in counter - either left straight or left knee.

When he switches his stance to the orthodox and he decides to counter, he does it with... yes, right straight with which he knocked Bader out. All right, once upon a time he becomes a little bit more creative and actually incorporates elbows:



On gif above he tries to counter with elbow but misses. However, countering with elbows is not something he does frequently. Actually apart from the above gif I don't remember when was the last time he went for it.

Summing up, he counters with either left straight or left knee (when southpaw) or right straight (when orthodox). Nothing really sophisticated but his perfect timing and speed make those three weapons in his arsenal absolutely deadly to anyone who even slightly overcommits with attack. The fact that when countering he immediately steps forward and his fist/knee collide with the charging opponent make his strikes really powerful.

However, as you know, he sometimes has this habit (Karate?) of keeping his hands low when countering, so if he somehow misses or his strikes are blocked/parried, he is pretty vulnerable to head strikes which was exposed on a few occasions.



In fight against Jon Jones he was countered when countering on two occasions - on first gif we see how he tries to counter from orthodox stance with his right while his left side is exposed, and on the second one he tries to counter with his left while his right is low and in result he eats short left from Jones and goes down - which was the beginning of the end for him.

Now, what makes Saturday's fight really interesting is that Mousasi mentioned that on a few occasions - he said that when Machida counters, he overcommits and becomes an easy target himself and he wants to capitalize on that.
in ufc undisputed 3 a stepping elbow is one of his special strikes. that game was realeased 18 months before the hendo fight

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Old 02-17-2014, 09:49 AM   #90
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wrestling? What the hell are you talking about? I never seen machida goes for a double or a single leg takedown. He is everything but not wrestling.
Wrestling is not just a double or single leg takedown.

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