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Old 01-23-2014, 03:40 AM   #41
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Forrest in 2014 is too Chinny to handle Hendo.

Dan may be slow as molasses these days but so is Forrest.

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Old 01-23-2014, 04:12 AM   #42
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I'd disagree with his point that Forrest was "never very good" but as far as being up their with the very best LHW's I don't really buy that he had a prime of only 2-3 fights.

Forrest for me is actually one of the most consistent performers in MMA(Franklin being another), he changed his style slightly after the Jardine loss but the big factor in his career has been the form and style matchups of his opponents. An injured Shogun was beatable where as a fit(well not carrying an actual ligament injury anyway) one who could get in his face standing wasnt, a Rampage who couldn't check lowkicks and could follow up knockdowns was beatable but even then it was very close.
He had serious shoulder surgery right after the Shogun fight. He pretty much went in there with a bum shoulder. And the fact that he hardly ever stopped training might have been a reason he had to pull out of so many fights. He said last year that the last three years he fought with just one arm. He went to work with what worked the least according to him.

Had he measured his training appropriately, he could have had a greater career IMO.

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Old 01-23-2014, 04:19 AM   #43
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He had serious shoulder surgery right after the Shogun fight. He pretty much went in there with a bum shoulder. And the fact that he hardly ever stopped training might have been a reason he had to pull out of so many fights. He said last year that the last three years he fought with just one arm. He went to work with what worked the least according to him.

Had he measured his training appropriately, he could have had a greater career IMO.
ACL injury > sholder sugery I guess as we saw Shogun was out for much longer afterwards and was much more able to close the distance standing in the rematch.

Anyone can claim an injury or illness held them back, I only tend to believe it if I see real evidence in the cage/ring. I see very little difference in Forrest, perhaps because as you point out he withdrew from a lot of fights when injuried, so basically fitness issues limated his career length but not his performances.

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A guy with the glassjaw of Forrest Griffin wont fare well against someone like Hendo.

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Old 01-23-2014, 04:26 AM   #45
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ACL injury > sholder sugery I guess as we saw Shogun was out for much longer afterwards and was much more able to close the distance standing in the rematch.

Anyone can claim an injury or illness held them back, I only tend to believe it if I see real evidence in the cage/ring. I see very little difference in Forrest, perhaps because as you point out he withdrew from a lot of fights when injuried, so basically fitness issues limated his career length but not his performances.
He doesn't use his right arm anymore, that's how bad his shoulder is. And Forrest made it back quicker because he loved to fight and loved to train. His training partners themselves have stated that they had to pull him out of the gym, injured or not.

He's had chronic injuries all over his body, the shoulder being the worst.

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Hendo destroys him

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