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Old 03-02-2014, 11:43 PM   #321
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Only in a MMA discussion forum would you see stupidity about how Jone's size is the only reason he has succeeded as champion, because they have no clue to how Boxing works in MMA.

He is not a good boxer. He does not utilize the jab like that and does not throw too many straight punches.

He keeps his distance with KICKS and when he closes in then he throws elbows and knees.

The real damage comes when he is inside with his Muay Thai and wrestling.

Only time his reach really made a difference was against Machida.

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Old 03-02-2014, 11:44 PM   #322
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Beats guy bigger than him, proves he relies on size. Got it.

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Old 03-02-2014, 11:44 PM   #323
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On paper he did. Too bad so many fans, fighters and everyday Joe's that watched the fight scored it for Gus. Like Jones said, he takes his "win" over Gus as a blemish on his record and there will always be an asterisk/star by it.
Yea people love to hate Jones. People gave Gus creak credit for doing better than expected. The judges almost all mma media, an the ref big Jon had Jones winning the fight. Basically everyone who's job it is to be non biased.

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Old 03-02-2014, 11:46 PM   #324
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Because people were pointing to the lopsided nature of Jones' wins as indicative of his superior talent and claiming that his size had nothing to do with his success.

However, when he fought a similar sized opponent, he did not achieve a lopsided victory. He won a closely fought decision.

Nothing else about the quality of his opponents had changed except the size. Machida, Rampage, Shogun, Belfort, etc have all been champions so they are very good fighters. Gus is also a very good fighter. So if size was irrelevant, Jones should have beaten Gus with the same ease.

He didn't. That fight just made clear that part (emphasis on "part") of his success comes from his size advantage.

Or it could be that Gus is a much better boxer than ever other fighter Jones fought and had great takedown defense?

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Old 03-02-2014, 11:49 PM   #325
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Or it could be that Gus is a much better boxer than ever other fighter Jones fought and had great takedown defense?
Sorry but what you said makes too much sense. It will go right over users heads.

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Old 03-02-2014, 11:50 PM   #326
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If size was everything.

Struve would be heavyweight champion.

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Old 03-02-2014, 11:52 PM   #327
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Yea people love to hate Jones. People gave Gus creak credit for doing better than expected. The judges almost all mma media, an the ref big Jon had Jones winning the fight. Basically everyone who's job it is to be non biased.
I said both were great fighters. However, Jon himself said that he views his victory over Gus as a blemish on his fight record. That's not hating, that's Jon being honest with himself and the people for once (even though you don't want to hear or accept it). Jones watched the fight more than 10 times (his words) to come to the conclusion that he "decisively beat Gustafsson".

A person that knows they beat a guy decisively wouldn't even have to watch the fight, let alone rewatch it 9 or more times. Plenty of unbiased people and pro/UFC fighters scored the fight for Gus including Dan Hardy and Josh Barnett (an American wrestler with Jones' same base).

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Old 03-02-2014, 11:53 PM   #328
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Anyone with a brain in their head would have expected Jones to have difficulty with someone who has been boxing since they were a kid. I used to get annoyed at the 'Jones hate' but it's more amusing now. Jones is where most people who frequent this site on a daily basis would love to be. He made his dreams reality, and most here still live it as a fantasy. I think that makes him the winner all day over random detractors.

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Old 03-02-2014, 11:57 PM   #329
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It is one variable of many. Jon has bad footwork and gimmicky striking. He faced someone much faster than him who could actually stoo the shot.

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