best ref..Big John.

[Cygnus-X]

I think Kevin Mulhall is extremely solid and seems to be able to do very good intricate calls on when to stop and when to let the fight carry on.

[forrestcries]

I came in to say Herzog. He doesn't get brought up very often because he's not at every event like Maz and Herb seem to be, but I don't recall him ever making a bad call

Originally Posted by Cygnus-X

I think Kevin Mulhall is extremely solid and seems to be able to do very good intricate calls on when to stop and when to let the fight carry on.

Another good one

[Joe McPherson]

Kate Winslow is pretty good technically but I can see she has a bit of a tough time enforcing things. For instance, when Boetsch kept grabbing the fence in his last bout against Phillippou she warned him a ton of times and probably should have deducted a point but Tim seemed to not give a crap about what she was saying. Obviously she could have done the deduction but for whatever the reason she didn't. Similarly, when stopping a bout and getting a fighter off of a TKO/KOd opponent, Kate though quick on the draw is not as physically forceful as her male peers. Though I didn't care for Rogan's comment when Big Foot was pulled off of Overeem, he was probably right. Otherwise, and as sexist as
I am, she is a good ref.

[Joe McPherson]

Originally Posted by baltimorianbase

Jason Herzog is criminally underrated in my opinion. He's never mentioned when the topic of good refs is up for discussion, and he easily topples over Rosenthal and Herb.

Herb's called some questionable stoppages; Herzog has yet to do so. The only ref that rivals Herzog as the best is Mccarthy.

I like that Herzog is very passive in his refereeing, and never makes his presence known unless need be - even when he's calling for a fighter to do more on the ground. You can barely hear Herzog when he calls for more action. That's how it needs to be, in my opinion.

He also treats the fighters with a lot of respect, almost to the point of babying them. I like that. Mccarthy also shares the same kind of respect for a fighter: if you notice, occasionally Mccarthy will commend a fighter on having a good round - even if the fighter was on the receiving end of punches. Herzog has a tendency to do this as well.

I can't remember what fight it was, but I remember Mccarthy was congratulating a guy after he'd been choked out or TKO'd for putting up a good fight. I've yet to see a ref do that, other than Herzog.

Yeah, Herzog is good too. For whatever reason I can't think of a lot of his bouts which is maybe a good thing.

The part I bolded is why I don't care for McCarthy. The next paragraph of yours I feel that Big John comes across as almost pandering/condescending. Again, part of the reason I don't care for him all that much.

[GSP_37]

Herb Dean in UFC 70 rushing in to save a KO'd Crocop and prevent his twisted knee/ankle from further damage earned my respect. That and seeing him go from zero to full sprint to stop a TKO and save the downed fighter.

Also, although Mazzagatti might not be a great ref when it comes to ref'ing, he does a cool TKO save where he dives in, wraps a clinch around the winner's torso, and lets his forward momentum carry them both away from the downed fighter.

[Seantildawn82]

Originally Posted by Joe McPherson

Not that big a fan of Big John to be honest. Historically he's done some crappy in-fight things (breaking Brian Johnson's nose pulling him off of Nazri - still tournament format so it screwed Johnson up for his bout against Coleman), but even still, he makes himself too large and in charge in the cage almost like he's seeking some of the limelight for himself. I don't really care for how he comes across overall.

Herb Dean is the best because A) you hardly know he's there, and B) he rarely if ever makes a bad call. I still think Yves Lavigne is 2nd best (his only really bad called fight was Sell/Brown), but to me he's similar to Herb.

lol that was almost 18 years ago. everybody who has a gripe with big john, they mention about an incident over 12 years ago. but they cant remember a recent incident. big john is the best.....brian johnson...from the tournament days? lol

[Seantildawn82]

Originally Posted by GSP_37

Herb Dean in UFC 70 rushing in to save a KO'd Crocop and prevent his twisted knee/ankle from further damage earned my respect. That and seeing him go from zero to full sprint to stop a TKO and save the downed fighter.

Also, although Mazzagatti might not be a great ref when it comes to ref'ing, he does a cool TKO save where he dives in, wraps a clinch around the winner's torso, and lets his forward momentum carry them both away from the downed fighter.

there supposed to do that. his fault for being so far.