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Old 02-14-2014, 08:34 PM   #21
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If in a decade that is the case...sure. Viacom has not shown any interest in dumping that kind of money into the product. Getting a couple of fighters =/= to competing directly with Zuffa. Viacom has treats Bellator as a time slot on Fridays. The entire season structure is built for being a good TV show...not the best promotion.

StrikeForce had bigger names than Bellator has now. And paid a lot more money for fighters.
But StrikeForce never had the money to remain competitive. If Bellator chooses to become competitive, it'll be a new era for MMA

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Old 02-14-2014, 08:42 PM   #22
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"Real fighters fight in the UFC" is just a marketing gimmick a PR stunt casuals and noobs don't understand.

Besides it'll be a lot harder for the UFC to say "Real fighters fight in the UFC" if in a decades time Bellator has more top fighters than the UFC.

If Viacom dumps enough money in it, it could happen. The Fertittas have a net worth of about a billion a piece... nothing on Viacom
But guess what? Those PR Stunt casuals and noobs make up the majority of the UFCs Gate and PPV sales. They could give a shit less if hardcore fans can see past what they are doing. UFC is trying to appease the majority.

And as long as most of their competition is better than Bellator, they can still back up the claim "Best Fighters fight here" for the most part.

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But StrikeForce never had the money to remain competitive. If Bellator chooses to become competitive, it'll be a new era for MMA
Bellator only has as much money as Viacom decides to invest into the company. Viacom would still have to see more potential in Bellator as a product.

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Old 02-14-2014, 08:47 PM   #23
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I'm talking about adding legitimacy to other orgs... the title is misleading



Gilbert is ranked #2, right? How do they justify being the "top org" when the #2 guy goes elsewhere. And if someone destroys the #2 guy, who becomes the official #1, UFC or other org? In other words, what happens when MMA media has someone besides the UFC champion as #1

The other org might get some credibility. Bellator should've kept Askren and signed Overeem, then they would be well on their way to legitimacy.

Perhaps in time we'll have another "PRIDE" (well... you know. Only the Japanese could do production and ring like that and get away with it... but still, the UFC might have some legit competition)... come to think of it, Zuffa will never be able to buy out a Viacom production...

I do have a feeling if this happens, we will miss the days of UFC monopoly. The bigger the company, the shittier the product it seems...

The saying goes "Don't trade the devil you know for the Devil you don't know" or something like that...

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UFC Rankings, if the fighter is not in the UFC he can not be ranked. Simple as that.

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Old 02-14-2014, 08:49 PM   #24
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But StrikeForce never had the money to remain competitive. If Bellator chooses to become competitive, it'll be a new era for MMA
Big IF...Viacom is in the TV/media business not the fight business.

Nothing in Bellator's actions leads me to believe Viacom wants to become a top promoter. They want a solid show on Fridays for a cable channel.

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Old 02-14-2014, 09:45 PM   #26
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Until a few years ago a certain Russian hw was top of every hw rankings, and most p4p lists. The media are definitely biased towards the ufc, but a day could come when a fee legitimately great fighters fight outside the ufc. Melendez us very possibly the number 1 lw in the world, and with Pettis injured a win over alvarez/chandler as good as cements it.
As for the question, the ufc will just do what it has for years, make claims that big of aren't in the ufc you are just a can crusher and not that good, then when you sign you become top 3. A few weeks before overeem signed he wasn't top 10 according to Dana, but as soon as he signed he became top 3. And most of the ufc fans will just follow dan as every word.

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Old 02-15-2014, 12:03 AM   #28
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Until a few years ago a certain Russian hw was top of every hw rankings, and most p4p lists. The media are definitely biased towards the ufc, but a day could come when a fee legitimately great fighters fight outside the ufc. Melendez us very possibly the number 1 lw in the world, and with Pettis injured a win over alvarez/chandler as good as cements it.
As for the question, the ufc will just do what it has for years, make claims that big of aren't in the ufc you are just a can crusher and not that good, then when you sign you become top 3. A few weeks before overeem signed he wasn't top 10 according to Dana, but as soon as he signed he became top 3. And most of the ufc fans will just follow dan as every word.
That's what bothers me about mma "media". In a subtle way Iole or someone will bury Gil

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