Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums

Go Back   Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums > Fight Discussion > The Wasteland

The Wasteland Pro Wrestling, Fantasy Matchups, Rehashed MMA, Chat threads, etc.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-17-2014, 12:37 PM   #501
RacerX

Orange Belt
 
RacerX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 412
vCash: 500
Joe is a part owner and he is buddies with Aubrey Marcus, who is often on Joe's podcast.

As for FDA approval, that is nonsense. Percocet is FDA-approved. Do you want it in a supplement?

They made sure not to have any Alpha Brain commercials when Sam Harris was on.

If you are ethical, you do the studies before you sell the product. Especially when the original formula (allegedly) made people sick.

And this is the problem with Rogan. It's not that his comedy sucks or his UFC commentary sucks, etc. To each his own, I guess. The real problem is his using his fans as marks. And he has such a cult of personality going that he gets away with it. It should be a lesson is manipulation, but it appears to be lost on a lot of people.


Last edited by RacerX; 07-17-2014 at 12:47 PM.
RacerX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2014, 01:08 PM   #502
Trolloc

White Belt
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 46
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX View Post
Joe is a part owner and he is buddies with Aubrey Marcus, who is often on Joe's podcast.

As for FDA approval, that is nonsense. Percocet is FDA-approved. Do you want it in a supplement?
And Vitamin C is FDA is approved would to take that? The point is you're saying they didn't test the ingredients for safety. But your government claims these ingredients are safe for consumption. If you feel the ingredients are too dangerous for human consumption your problem about safety is with FDA not Onnit. Ultimately even if a drug/ingredients is approved by FDA any consumer should do their homework first and consume what their comfortable with.

Quote:

They made sure not to have any Alpha Brain commercials when Sam Harris was on.
And they did them when Neil Degrasse Tyson was on and also sponsored Star Talk. They also had the advertisements with Ronda Patrick on (someone with more knowledge of supplements than Sam Harris).



Quote:
If you are ethical, you do the studies before you sell the product. Especially when the original formula (allegedly) made people sick.

And this is the problem with Rogan. It's not that his comedy sucks or his UFC commentary sucks, etc. To each his own, I guess. The real problem is his using his fans as marks. And he has such a cult of personality going that he gets away with it. It should be a lesson is manipulation, but it appears to be lost on a lot of people.

The thing is there is studies on each individual ingredients that validate their claims. It is not enough to comfort me but it may for others. It also doesn't mean the ingredients work synergisticly (made up word sorry).

But don't the fans have some responsibility? For two years before he talked about AlphaBrain he prefaced it that it was a controversial supplement, some people think its a placebo and people should do their home work first. Onnit hired a representative in Joe Rogan's message board to answer Rogan's fans concerns. Been two or three years and this representative is still in this message board responding to constant hostile questions.

On top of Onnit spending over $100,000 to facilitate a study on the product. A study that if the regardless of the results will be released.

So no I don't think Rogan is purposely duping is fans or using them as marks. I am perfectly aware of the controversies of the product entirely based on comments Rogan has made on the podcast.

Trolloc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2014, 10:48 PM   #503
RacerX

Orange Belt
 
RacerX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 412
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolloc View Post
And Vitamin C is FDA is approved would to take that? The point is you're saying they didn't test the ingredients for safety. But your government claims these ingredients are safe for consumption. If you feel the ingredients are too dangerous for human consumption your problem about safety is with FDA not Onnit. Ultimately even if a drug/ingredients is approved by FDA any consumer should do their homework first and consume what their comfortable with.



And they did them when Neil Degrasse Tyson was on and also sponsored Star Talk. They also had the advertisements with Ronda Patrick on (someone with more knowledge of supplements than Sam Harris).






The thing is there is studies on each individual ingredients that validate their claims. It is not enough to comfort me but it may for others. It also doesn't mean the ingredients work synergisticly (made up word sorry).

But don't the fans have some responsibility? For two years before he talked about AlphaBrain he prefaced it that it was a controversial supplement, some people think its a placebo and people should do their home work first. Onnit hired a representative in Joe Rogan's message board to answer Rogan's fans concerns. Been two or three years and this representative is still in this message board responding to constant hostile questions.

On top of Onnit spending over $100,000 to facilitate a study on the product. A study that if the regardless of the results will be released.

So no I don't think Rogan is purposely duping is fans or using them as marks. I am perfectly aware of the controversies of the product entirely based on comments Rogan has made on the podcast.
My point is you don't know what FDA approval means. Vitamin C is just that a vitamin, not some formula concocted my Aubrey Marcus's secret scientists. A formula they had to change and one without proof of efficacy.

And LMAO at their scientific adviser on the Rogan board. He gets owned on the regular. And remember this:

?

You don't, by chance, have a free lifetime supply of Onnit products do you?

And yes, synergistically is a word. You remind me of Joe trying to read scientific studies (see the podcasts with Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.)

And working synergistically could actually be a problem. But hey, lets mix a bunch of shit together and see what happens to our guinea pigs . . . errr, I mean customers.

"The current formulation of Alpha Brain uses mostly ingredients that are recognized as safe by the FDA. Combined, there is no way of knowing whether effects can be magnified or become dangerous. However, an overview of each ingredient and the dose can help one understand potential Alpha Brain side effects."

http://www.purenootropics.net/alpha-...full-analysis/

And that's why you do the studies (usually with more than 17 guinea pigs).

RacerX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2014, 04:17 AM   #504
Trolloc

White Belt
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 46
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX View Post
My point is you don't know what FDA approval means. Vitamin C is just that a vitamin, not some formula concocted my Aubrey Marcus's secret scientists. A formula they had to change and one without proof of efficacy.

And LMAO at their scientific adviser on the Rogan board. He gets owned on the regular. And remember this:

?

You don't, by chance, have a free lifetime supply of Onnit products do you?

And yes, synergistically is a word. You remind me of Joe trying to read scientific studies (see the podcasts with Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.)

And working synergistically could actually be a problem. But hey, lets mix a bunch of shit together and see what happens to our guinea pigs . . . errr, I mean customers.

"The current formulation of Alpha Brain uses mostly ingredients that are recognized as safe by the FDA. Combined, there is no way of knowing whether effects can be magnified or become dangerous. However, an overview of each ingredient and the dose can help one understand potential Alpha Brain side effects."

http://www.purenootropics.net/alpha-...full-analysis/

And that's why you do the studies (usually with more than 17 guinea pigs).
LOL did you read that link you provided.

Quote:
In general, Alpha Brain should be recognized as safe, but it will always vary depending on the individual. Much respect must go to Onnit Labs for providing the formula for anyone interested in the exact doses and ingredients.

Most of the supplement and nootropic industry does not do this to the detriment of users and the community. Onnit has been more than forthcoming about the ingredients while trying to balance the business aspects of a unique blend.
Quote:
The current formulation of Alpha Brain uses mostly ingredients that are recognized as safe by the FDA. Combined, there is no way of knowing whether effects can be magnified or become dangerous. However, an overview of each ingredient and the dose can help one understand potential Alpha Brain side effects.
That's pretty much my whole point there.

Thanks for the info.

Trolloc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2014, 12:25 PM   #505
RacerX

Orange Belt
 
RacerX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 412
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolloc View Post
LOL did you read that link you provided.





That's pretty much my whole point there.

Thanks for the info.
Actually, I did read it. And it's someone who is not against Alpha Brain pointing out that even though you may have tested individual ingredients, it doesn't mean they work or are safe together.

And I think your point should be a little better than "Hey, Joe's product won't make you sick", especially when there were reports that AB has in the past. I expect a little more.

I'm still waiting for the study the promised (not the one with fewer than 20 people).

I just hope they are a little more honest with these studies than they were when Joe Rogan was questioning everything.

RacerX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2014, 03:38 PM   #506
Rambo121

Orange Belt
 
Rambo121's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 479
vCash: 500
The dude was a drunk asshole, joe put him in his place.

now on the topic of ONNIT

most of it IMO is smoke, mirrors and snake oil

apparently shroomtech actually works but I haven't tried anything sold by onnit

__________________
RIP PRIDE FC
Rambo121 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Latest Threads



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:50 AM.

Sherdog.com Forum Rules Clear Cookies Social Groups Lost Password
Contact Us - Sherdog Forums - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Top - AdChoices

Skin made by Alex. © iStyles.uni.cc Powered by vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
forums.sherdog.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.
monitoring_string = "fd5733925866a04e50edd70f38dfaa35"
monitoring_string = "603ac9fff68f23709f2a42bf5e29272b"