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Old 02-11-2014, 06:59 AM   #51
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Heard from Goldberg and Rogan that Jordan Mein is the new breed.

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Old 02-11-2014, 07:00 AM   #52
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lol @ Gustafsson.

Jones is pretty different from fighters 10 years ago, and he would demolish the best LHWs of 10 years ago.
I'd give Arona a shot at subbing him.

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Old 02-11-2014, 07:10 AM   #53
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I get how the thought of someone being raised only in the sport of MMA would seem like that person would dominate but part of me thinks that a person who specializes in one art first would/could still be better. I mean think about it. A great college wrestler or maybe even Olympic caliber who learns the other parts of MMA quickly could very possibly just take down and GNP a pure mixed martial artist because they won't develop the same caliber wrestling as the wrestler. Or even if a k-1 kick boxer learns the TDD enough to stop the mixed martial artists takedowns and then could use superior striking to win.

What do you think?
I's pretty clear now that the much publicized 'new breed' of fighters that trained MMA from birth, and were supposed to come and take over the sport, were more than a bit over-hyped.

As it turns out, the 'old breed' (elite competitors in wrestling/BJJ/ or occasionally another discipline that transition to MMA) has largely handed the new breed their sore, prison raped asses back to them. And for the most part, champions are coming from where they typically have:

Cain- Former D-1 Wrestler
Jones- Former D-1 Wrestler
Weidman- Former College wrestler (Maybe D-1, I'm not sure)

When you get to the lighter weights, you are more likely to find pure MMA fighters at or near the top of the heap, but old breed is still always a key factor. Pettis is kind of close to new breed, but he trained TKD and boxing for years before he started MMA. Bendo and Edgar were both college wrestlers.

Now that many shertarders dreams of 'new breed' dominance have been dashed, they are menstruating excessively about the absence of 'A level athletes' in MMA, and are predicting when the money gets better and the A-Level athletes come in, it's all over.

But you know what, when those guys come in, just like everyone else, they are gonna get prison raped by the most recent 2 time D1 national champ wrestler that learned how to thrown a jab and keep his hands up.

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Old 02-11-2014, 07:28 AM   #54
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newsflash...


the new breed of mma fighter isnt even here yet!

rory is the closest we have

jones learned how to strike at like 19 watching youtube. c

cormier and gus def arent new breed either


new breed would be kids starting at he age mayweather started boxing but in various arts

even randy couture believes in the new breed among many others. they just arent here yet

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Old 02-11-2014, 10:29 AM   #55
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newsflash...


the new breed of mma fighter isnt even here yet!

rory is the closest we have

jones learned how to strike at like 19 watching youtube. c

cormier and gus def arent new breed either


new breed would be kids starting at he age mayweather started boxing but in various arts

even randy couture believes in the new breed among many others. they just arent here yet
Newsflash... I didn't say they were here yet. Read my post. I simply said I think the new breed will be beaten by high level wrestlers or strikers that learn the other parts of MMA laterr

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Old 02-11-2014, 10:31 AM   #56
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I's pretty clear now that the much publicized 'new breed' of fighters that trained MMA from birth, and were supposed to come and take over the sport, were more than a bit over-hyped.

As it turns out, the 'old breed' (elite competitors in wrestling/BJJ/ or occasionally another discipline that transition to MMA) has largely handed the new breed their sore, prison raped asses back to them. And for the most part, champions are coming from where they typically have:

Cain- Former D-1 Wrestler
Jones- Former D-1 Wrestler
Weidman- Former College wrestler (Maybe D-1, I'm not sure)

When you get to the lighter weights, you are more likely to find pure MMA fighters at or near the top of the heap, but old breed is still always a key factor. Pettis is kind of close to new breed, but he trained TKD and boxing for years before he started MMA. Bendo and Edgar were both college wrestlers.

Now that many shertarders dreams of 'new breed' dominance have been dashed, they are menstruating excessively about the absence of 'A level athletes' in MMA, and are predicting when the money gets better and the A-Level athletes come in, it's all over.

But you know what, when those guys come in, just like everyone else, they are gonna get prison raped by the most recent 2 time D1 national champ wrestler that learned how to thrown a jab and keep his hands up.
Weidman was a d-1 all American and jones never wrestled d-1 although he did have offers from d-1 schools like Iowa state

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Old 02-11-2014, 10:40 AM   #57
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I believe a guy who is really good at one thing and then fills in the gaps is probably going to always be better. It's less likely that a guy who grows up doing MMA would be able to wrestle with Cormier or strike with a world class striker (if they start crossing over). the specialist just has to learn the parts of MMA most important for his particular style and then impose that style on his opponent. For instance a striker needs to learn TDD and how to get back up off his back but not all the facets of grappling to be effective.

Edit: By always I don't mean in every fighters case. natural ability is extremely important you are always going to have guys who are freaks of nature of like GSP who picked up wrestling so fast. I meant always as far as in years.


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