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Old 06-15-2014, 12:21 PM   #31
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Here are the UFC welterweight rankings after last night. These rankings are based the following criteria:
1.If fighter A beats fighter B, fighter A is better than fighter B and therefore is either already ranked higher in which case he does not move in the rankings (because beating a lower ranked fighter does not increase ones status) or fighter A is moved to the spot where fighter B was, because he has proven to be better than fighter B but not any other fighters and therefore cannot be ranked any higher than fighter B was. Fighter B then drops one spot because he is proven to be < fighter A but has not be proven to be worse than any other fighter. This is a continuation of the logic applied when a champion is beaten which is generally agreed upon, for example, when Pettis beat Benson, he moved to the #1 position and Benson only dropped to the #2 position.
2.In the event of a draw, the fighters are proven to be of the same level (one is not proven to be better than the other) this also means the lower ranked fighter is of a similar level to the higher ranked fighter, therefore the higher ranked fighter stays in the same position (because he has no proven himself to be any greater) and the lower ranked fighter takes the position below the higher ranked fighter (because he has shown to be at least on that level but not greater). An example of this would be BJ Penn vs Jon Fitch, Fitch was higher ranked and therefore he would stay in the same position and BJ would take the position below him.
3.Fighters are removed from the rankings when they retire or leave the division.

As a basis I began with the commonly held notion that Matt Hughes was the consensus #1 welterweight before losing to GSP the first time. This leads to the current top 10 being:

1 Johny Hendricks
2 Hector Lombard
3 Rory MacDonald
4 Demian Maia
5 Tyron Woodley
6 Carlos Condit
7 Robbie Lawler
8 Dong Hyun Kim
9 Matt Brown
10 Erick Silva

Edit: Just realized I left off Matt Browns win over Silva
Your criteria sucks. Just because a fighter beats another fighter doesn't make them better. That leads to a lot of contradictions. Chuck Liddel beat Wanderlei Silva, who beat Rampage Jackson 2/3 times, yet Rampage beat Chuck twice. It doesn't work. Robbie Lawler at #7? Are you kidding me? He fought Hendricks to a draw basically, beat up Rory and Burger and hes #7? He's #2, just about everyone agrees with that.

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Old 06-15-2014, 12:26 PM   #32
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Just because a fighter beats another fighter doesn't make them better..
Haha ofcourse not, what does it mean then? Haha. That is actually the only think a fight proves and by your logic, why even have fights if they prove nothing?

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Old 06-15-2014, 12:28 PM   #33
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No just no Lawler at 7?

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Old 06-15-2014, 12:41 PM   #34
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Here are the UFC welterweight rankings after last night. These rankings are based the following criteria:
1.If fighter A beats fighter B, fighter A is better than fighter B and therefore is either already ranked higher in which case he does not move in the rankings (because beating a lower ranked fighter does not increase ones status) or fighter A is moved to the spot where fighter B was, because he has proven to be better than fighter B but not any other fighters and therefore cannot be ranked any higher than fighter B was. Fighter B then drops one spot because he is proven to be < fighter A but has not be proven to be worse than any other fighter. This is a continuation of the logic applied when a champion is beaten which is generally agreed upon, for example, when Pettis beat Benson, he moved to the #1 position and Benson only dropped to the #2 position.
2.In the event of a draw, the fighters are proven to be of the same level (one is not proven to be better than the other) this also means the lower ranked fighter is of a similar level to the higher ranked fighter, therefore the higher ranked fighter stays in the same position (because he has no proven himself to be any greater) and the lower ranked fighter takes the position below the higher ranked fighter (because he has shown to be at least on that level but not greater). An example of this would be BJ Penn vs Jon Fitch, Fitch was higher ranked and therefore he would stay in the same position and BJ would take the position below him.
3.Fighters are removed from the rankings when they retire or leave the division.

As a basis I began with the commonly held notion that Matt Hughes was the consensus #1 welterweight before losing to GSP the first time. This leads to the current top 10 being:

1 Johny Hendricks
2 Hector Lombard
3 Rory MacDonald
4 Demian Maia
5 Tyron Woodley
6 Carlos Condit
7 Robbie Lawler
8 Dong Hyun Kim
9 Matt Brown
10 Erick Silva

Edit: Just realized I left off Matt Browns win over Silva
Lol at erick silva at 10

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Old 06-15-2014, 02:05 PM   #35
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I actually find this way of ranking fighters the only acceptable way. The current way is just bullshit based on subjectiveness and is only used by the UFC to hype fighters when their fight comes up. For example Bader vs Cavalcante was considered number 10 vs 14 before ufc 174. At the weigh-ins they hyped it up to number 9 vs 12. I don't care if the top 10 looks like shit this way it doesn't mean anything and there will be fighters who are skillwise top 10 but haven't beaten a top 10. This is the only way to give rankings some value.

That said I'm not sure OP's list is correct.
It is based on the criteria I stated, if you start with Hughes and went through the fights in order you would get the same list.

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Old 06-15-2014, 07:31 PM   #36
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Yeah that Hector Lombard should be ranked pretty high after that loss to Tim Boetsch 2 years ago

When he has to face Rory (if he gets through Kim) Rory's gonna do to him exactly what he did to Woodley last night
Hector doesn't choke.

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