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Old 12-18-2013, 04:10 PM   #31
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What is important to recognize from those graphs are trends.
Also it is good to compare what was happening in UFC and overall MMA.

Here is one analysis –

Comparing HW UFC division with the overall HW for period 2006 - 2012

check the dark brown line in both graphs



UFC:


In 2006 UFC HW division was in a very poor shape (check the beginning of the dark brown line).
Most of the best HW where in Pride.
The best that UFC had to offer was Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski (ranked #8 and #9 in the world).
They also had Brandon Vera (#11) and Jeff Monson (#13). And that is it for top 20.

Then Pride died.
Some of the Pride HW went to UFC (Big Nog, Werdum, Cro Cop).
Randy Couture returned to HW in a big way (obliterating Sylvia).

In the last quarter of 2007 UFC HW division peaked.
From the top 15 HW, they had 9.
They didn’t have Fedor (#1) and Barnett, but everybody else was there.

Then in 2008 Affliction created very strong HW division (Fedor, Barnett, Arlovski, Rothwell, Tim Sylvia, Pedro Rizzo)
and that weakened the UFC strength at HW.
Remember, Couture left the UFC to fight Fedor,

Affliction died. But most of the HW fighters went to Strikeforce, not UFC.
That is finally where UFC decided that all the best HW need to be under Zuffa.
Once that Strikeforce tournament was over and Fedor was dethroned, there was no more competition.
In 2012, UFC had all the best HW in the world.

At the end of overall graph, you can see that dark brown line is going down. That means overall HW division is dropping in popularity and fighters are moving down. Except UFC, no other HW title means anything.
That is not the case with the UFC HW. It is a pretty stable line. That is because UFC sucked in all the best HW.

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Old 12-18-2013, 04:21 PM   #32
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The fuck is all this shit?
This sums it up pretty well.

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Old 12-18-2013, 04:23 PM   #33
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Not even labelling the axis?

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Old 12-18-2013, 04:27 PM   #34
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Every fighter is given a score, that score is based primarily on win loss percentage, the fashion in which the fight took place (dominance). The competitiveness of a division is also given a value, the value is determined by the quality of fighters in that division. For example Lightweight, and welterweight have a ton of great fighters. Heavyweight on the other hand is considered a much weaker division. The value also consists of quantity of fighters, flyweight for example has a lot fewer fighters given that it is a newer (or developing) division. Therefore the value of the flyweight division is going to be hindered by the number of fighters in that division.

This is just how i interpret it though.
I really don't see the point of this graph.

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what about the Silva/Diaz/GSP/Penn Factor - where automatically everyone assumes their fights were not dominant

or the NOGUEIRA Value - where an automatic deduction of value is taken off the opponents victory due to guranteed injuries

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Old 12-18-2013, 05:51 PM   #36
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Why dont you check out the website and actually analyze what he's done here? Its actually pretty well quantified based on tons of fight statistics. It may not directly correlate with the way things truly are all the time, but if youve ever wondered what rankings would look like if based strictly on how all the fighters stats add up this is pretty much as good as it gets.
You must be a pretty miserable person to comment as you did.
Thank you for checking our website.

You hit the nail on the head. Some people are just lazy to go and check things for themselves.
And some just like bitching about everything.

Back to this topic.
To create this kind of report, it takes a lot of data and a lot of time to come up with the right formula.
I come here to validate what we did so far and see if people that understand MMA think it looks good enough.
There is no perfect solution for anything, so I am fine with "good enough".
If there is something that looks obviously incorrect, let me know and we will try to fix it.

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Old 12-18-2013, 06:58 PM   #37
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What is important to recognize from those graphs are trends.
Also it is good to compare what was happening in UFC and overall MMA.

Here is one analysis –

Comparing HW UFC division with the overall HW for period 2006 - 2012

check the dark brown line in both graphs



UFC:


In 2006 UFC HW division was in a very poor shape (check the beginning of the dark brown line).
Most of the best HW where in Pride.
The best that UFC had to offer was Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski (ranked #8 and #9 in the world).
They also had Brandon Vera (#11) and Jeff Monson (#13). And that is it for top 20.

Then Pride died.
Some of the Pride HW went to UFC (Big Nog, Werdum, Cro Cop).
Randy Couture returned to HW in a big way (obliterating Sylvia).

In the last quarter of 2007 UFC HW division peaked.
From the top 15 HW, they had 9.
They didn’t have Fedor (#1) and Barnett, but everybody else was there.

Then in 2008 Affliction created very strong HW division (Fedor, Barnett, Arlovski, Rothwell, Tim Sylvia, Pedro Rizzo)
and that weakened the UFC strength at HW.
Remember, Couture left the UFC to fight Fedor,

Affliction died. But most of the HW fighters went to Strikeforce, not UFC.
That is finally where UFC decided that all the best HW need to be under Zuffa.
Once that Strikeforce tournament was over and Fedor was dethroned, there was no more competition.
In 2012, UFC had all the best HW in the world.

At the end of overall graph, you can see that dark brown line is going down. That means overall HW division is dropping in popularity and fighters are moving down. Except UFC, no other HW title means anything.
That is not the case with the UFC HW. It is a pretty stable line. That is because UFC sucked in all the best HW.
that is some good analysis ,
and I remember all those things

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Old 12-19-2013, 02:51 PM   #38
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Anyway, looks like a lot of data and analysis with no apparent flaws.

Undoubtedly you can draw more conclusions with what you've got. Perhaps some of them will connect with the Sherdog gene pool more than comparisons between divisions.

I think the unlabeled Y axes really freaked people out, since they had to read the write-up before returning to the graph...

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