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Old 09-18-2013, 01:41 PM   #251
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I finished my re-read last night and also read the Theon gift chapter before Jon's stabby ending. In my mind, there are only two viable options for The Pink Letter and both options are written by the same person.

1) Manderly returns with Stannis' sword, says he and the Boltons defeated Stannis' army but Arya was sent to the Wall. Theon is missing so he probably went as an escort. Meanwhile, Stannis' troops are dressed as Freys and are planning to open the gates.

2) After Theon escaped with Fake Arya, Ramsey wrote that letter in a fit of rage in a last ditch effort to draw out and kill Jon Snow before he saw that Arya isn't Arya at all. If word gets out that Arya is Jeyne Poole, the Boltons and probably the Freys would be smashed by the North. Ramsey lied about the seven days of battle but probably killed the spearwives and tortured Mance.

Now that it's fresh in my mind I don't think it's very plausible for Stannis, Roose, or Mance to have written that letter.

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I finished my re-read last night and also read the Theon gift chapter before Jon's stabby ending. In my mind, there are only two viable options for The Pink Letter and both options are written by the same person.

1) Manderly returns with Stannis' sword, says he and the Boltons defeated Stannis' army but Arya was sent to the Wall. Theon is missing so he probably went as an escort. Meanwhile, Stannis' troops are dressed as Freys and are planning to open the gates.

2) After Theon escaped with Fake Arya, Ramsey wrote that letter in a fit of rage in a last ditch effort to draw out and kill Jon Snow before he saw that Arya isn't Arya at all. If word gets out that Arya is Jeyne Poole, the Boltons and probably the Freys would be smashed by the North. Ramsey lied about the seven days of battle but probably killed the spearwives and tortured Mance.

Now that it's fresh in my mind I don't think it's very plausible for Stannis, Roose, or Mance to have written that letter.
I can't make up my mind which theory makes the most sense. I'm starting to think Melisandre wrote the letter. Think about it for a minute and that all makes perfect sense EXCEPT for the part about "Reek." Who else would know who Mance Rayder was?


Another off the wall idea I had is that the "ghost in winterfell" is Maester Luwin. Someone in winterfell would know all of the details in the letter.

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^^ I thought the "Ghost of Winterfell" was really Bran.

the way I derived it is that Bran is already a heck of a lot more powerful with his Greenseer abilities compared to BR - BR tells Bran that those sees through the Weirwoord trees will not be able to hear him, yet when Bran calls out "Father", Nedd looks up immediately & if I remember correctly BR warns him not to call out to anyone.


then in the Theon chapters when he's praying before Winterfell's Heart Tree he mentions how the face resembles Bran & even hears "Theon" carrying out in the wind.

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^^ I thought the "Ghost of Winterfell" was really Bran.

the way I derived it is that Bran is already a heck of a lot more powerful with his Greenseer abilities compared to BR - BR tells Bran that those sees through the Weirwoord trees will not be able to hear him, yet when Bran calls out "Father", Nedd looks up immediately & if I remember correctly BR warns him not to call out to anyone.


then in the Theon chapters when he's praying before Winterfell's Heart Tree he mentions how the face resembles Bran & even hears "Theon" carrying out in the wind.
That's interesting stuff, I stopped reading this thread intently for a while since there's no GoT and WoW isn't out for ages but info like this is too good to miss out on.

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I still think Ramsey wrote the Pink Letter until some better evidence is provided. At this point it's all conjecture.

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^^ I thought the "Ghost of Winterfell" was really Bran.

the way I derived it is that Bran is already a heck of a lot more powerful with his Greenseer abilities compared to BR - BR tells Bran that those sees through the Weirwoord trees will not be able to hear him, yet when Bran calls out "Father", Nedd looks up immediately & if I remember correctly BR warns him not to call out to anyone.


then in the Theon chapters when he's praying before Winterfell's Heart Tree he mentions how the face resembles Bran & even hears "Theon" carrying out in the wind.
I'm talking about the hooded man who confronts Theon in winterfell.

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I still think Ramsey wrote the Pink Letter until some better evidence is provided. At this point it's all conjecture.
I think he wrote it. Some of it is true (Mance) and some of it is false (Stannis).

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I can't make up my mind which theory makes the most sense. I'm starting to think Melisandre wrote the letter. Think about it for a minute and that all makes perfect sense EXCEPT for the part about "Reek." Who else would know who Mance Rayder was?


Another off the wall idea I had is that the "ghost in winterfell" is Maester Luwin. Someone in winterfell would know all of the details in the letter.
Melissandre probably knows about nearly everything in the letter but the guy in charge of the ravens came running to Jon, saying he just received a letter. Mel was also doing everything in her power to keep Jon from doing anything stupid and running off to Winterfell with an army of wildlings wouldn't be a smart idea.

For a second I thought the Night's Watch was a viable option and the raven keeper was in on the assassination but everyone at the Wall thinks Mance was burned alive. I don't think they could know anything about him and the spearwives unless someone is feeding them information.

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