Originally Posted by Jonas g33k
Yeah I know, but my judo instructor already warned me about triangle choke from guard. I told him it the pressure was on the carotid, but he replied that most judo referee are not familiar with BJJ and I could possibly get DQ. So do you think it would be the same with peruvian necktie and anaconda?
we did a ref clinic on this last year and i played legal/not legal.
our head ref/your instructor/the world are absolutely correct about perfectly legal techniques being misinterpreted by the 'average' judo ref. luckily, there's the judges to confer with.
his main line was 'is the choke supported?' do the mechanics of the choke put force AROUND the neck versus ONTO the neck? pulling the head down during a triangle means your crotch is still in the way, which means there's virtually no chance of hyperextension.
same goes for dicey-looking chokes: PNT, Suicide Choke, Bow n Arrow, Marcelotine, etc. there's a guy at our gym that even says katahajime (one-wing collar choke) is 'illegal' if you use the palm of your hand on the back of the head instead of the blade edge. this always pissed me off. it's completely legal to do, it's just far less effective. like a triangle that isn't at 90 degrees. but i digress.
we went over guillotine variations quite a bit, and it's the appearance that matters. Mackenzitine and Marcelotine were deemed 'okay, probably not even borderline' as far as being construed as a neck crank, but your average back-arching MMA-goon guillotine was.
now, i protested that everyone and their mother has seen nasty, nasty guillotines over the last 6 years in UFC and nobody's ever been hurt. still, to someone who trained throws primarily or was ignorant of groundwork, it could look like a neck crank. but hell, i think a half-nelson sure as shit feels like a neck crank and i see that taught to 10 year olds.
semi-related tangent -> i think the new rules regarding newaza transition makes bow and arrow turnover effectively illegal. i'm not sure if you take a pause or announce your intentions to go into groundwork, but i don't see how the leg-grab rule in that context did anything other than keep a knowledgable BJJer from exploiting a shitty throw attempt/turtle from a Judo player...
note that it's not completely illegal. if you've got their back taken it's one thing. i'm talking as a turtle attack.