Official Judo Thread II

[Jonas g33k]

Why are you posting this in the Judo topic instead of the sambo one?

Also I was wondering, are the peruvian necktie and the anaconda choke legal in Judo? I like to do it in BJJ, but I'm not sure if I can or not in Judo...

[nomoremondays]

Originally Posted by Jonas g33k

Also I was wondering, are the peruvian necktie and the anaconda choke legal in Judo? I like to do it in BJJ, but I'm not sure if I can or not in Judo...

Any choke where you are not actually crushing the face or endangering the spine is fine in judo.

[Jonas g33k]

Yeah I know, but my judo instructor already warned me about triangle choke from guard. I told him it the pressure was on the carotid, but he replied that most judo referee are not familiar with BJJ and I could possibly get DQ. So do you think it would be the same with peruvian necktie and anaconda?

[RJ Green]

Originally Posted by Jonas g33k

Yeah I know, but my judo instructor already warned me about triangle choke from guard. I told him it the pressure was on the carotid, but he replied that most judo referee are not familiar with BJJ and I could possibly get DQ. So do you think it would be the same with peruvian necktie and anaconda?

we did a ref clinic on this last year and i played legal/not legal.

our head ref/your instructor/the world are absolutely correct about perfectly legal techniques being misinterpreted by the 'average' judo ref. luckily, there's the judges to confer with.

his main line was 'is the choke supported?' do the mechanics of the choke put force AROUND the neck versus ONTO the neck? pulling the head down during a triangle means your crotch is still in the way, which means there's virtually no chance of hyperextension.

same goes for dicey-looking chokes: PNT, Suicide Choke, Bow n Arrow, Marcelotine, etc. there's a guy at our gym that even says katahajime (one-wing collar choke) is 'illegal' if you use the palm of your hand on the back of the head instead of the blade edge. this always pissed me off. it's completely legal to do, it's just far less effective. like a triangle that isn't at 90 degrees. but i digress.

we went over guillotine variations quite a bit, and it's the appearance that matters. Mackenzitine and Marcelotine were deemed 'okay, probably not even borderline' as far as being construed as a neck crank, but your average back-arching MMA-goon guillotine was.

now, i protested that everyone and their mother has seen nasty, nasty guillotines over the last 6 years in UFC and nobody's ever been hurt. still, to someone who trained throws primarily or was ignorant of groundwork, it could look like a neck crank. but hell, i think a half-nelson sure as shit feels like a neck crank and i see that taught to 10 year olds.

semi-related tangent -> i think the new rules regarding newaza transition makes bow and arrow turnover effectively illegal. i'm not sure if you take a pause or announce your intentions to go into groundwork, but i don't see how the leg-grab rule in that context did anything other than keep a knowledgable BJJer from exploiting a shitty throw attempt/turtle from a Judo player...

note that it's not completely illegal. if you've got their back taken it's one thing. i'm talking as a turtle attack.

[nomoremondays]

My goodnes RJ. Where on gods green earth did that happen?? Because I must say those are some poor ass referees!
LOL

[nomoremondays]

Originally Posted by Jonas g33k

Yeah I know, but my judo instructor already warned me about triangle choke from guard. I told him it the pressure was on the carotid, but he replied that most judo referee are not familiar with BJJ and I could possibly get DQ. So do you think it would be the same with peruvian necktie and anaconda?

What can I say my friend. When you hear one thing at the dojo and something else on the Internet :-(
It makes me sad that your sensei thinks triangles are bjj techniques and that he encourages you not to do something because refs cannot judge it.
Believe you me, triangle chokes from everywhere are fine. The one exception might be where you are ripping away your opponents head with both hands, which really is unnecessary ( not saying you are, just stating it)

[nomoremondays]

I must add that just like many of us who go to a podunk local competition to earn our first chops at this competition thing, many of these 'referees' are also using the local comps to sharpen their knowledge. Many of them are doing this for the first time and are learning from it the same as competitors are. Though the emotion of such an experience can sometimes be frustrating as well as confusing some leeway and sympathy maybe granted to beginner refs. Not too much though, just a little bit ;-)
In fact an experienced competitor can actually educate a lower level ref. Its a little hard in the US at least though, what with all the egos involved and everything...

[doyourkegles22]

So...is anyone here going to train with the Tokai university team at Georgetown University on March 3? I believe it's 30 bucks!!!!

[radman]

Originally Posted by Jonas g33k

Why are you posting this in the Judo topic instead of the sambo one?

Also I was wondering, are the peruvian necktie and the anaconda choke legal in Judo? I like to do it in BJJ, but I'm not sure if I can or not in Judo...

With the current IJF rules a lot of the Judo is seen in Sambo. And it's not uncommon for Eastern European & former Soviet block judo athletes are also sambo athletes- two sides of the same coin.

[Sydvicious]

I was talking about entering my first competition a while back. Well, the competition was yesterday and I got a silver. I had 3 tough fights, losing 1 and winning 2. I'm very happy, but feel very old today

I described it in more detail in my blog (link is in my sig), so feel free to have a read!