So I Used to Make Fun of Sambo

[ElKarlo]

Originally Posted by radman

So who is the sambo fraud in your area? I am curious who is making these spurrious claims.

Not in my area. I like sambo this isn't bashing. But alot of guys have come out and have been frauds over the yearz. As there's less regulation than in bjj

[Uchi Mata]

Originally Posted by radman

http://www.sambo-fias.org/en/news/20...%20sport%C2%BB

The same guys who do judo in Soviet Union/ Eastern block do judo. here in teh NYC area thr same russian/ estern block guys in brooklyn compete in judo- same side of the coin different rules.

Of course there's a lot of crossover. The reasons I think Sambo is better for BJJ than Judo are:

1. grips - Sambo guys do not train in the context of a rule set that disallows certain (dominant) grips, which Judo does.
2. Stance - Sambo stances tend to be much more bent over, which is better for defending and attacking with wrestling style TDs, and better for preventing closed guard pulls
3. Attacks - Sambo tends to focus much more on wrestling style attacks (especially in the last 10 years with the Judo rule changes), which tend to work better in BJJ than the big turning throws Judo emphasizes
4. Transitions - Whenever I watch Judo, I'm always disgusted by guys who get a throw and immediately look at the ref. Sambists tend to transition very quickly from throws to submission attacks, and they have a much better direct standing sub attack game (flying armbars, rolling kneebars, etc) than Judo
5. Variety of subs - Sambo will help you learn leg locks in addition to throwing. Judo tends to replicate a lot of BJJ groundwork, but not as well as BJJ since it's not the main focus of Judo. Sambo compliments BJJ both standing and on the mat, Judo really just helps standing.

And this is coming from a guy who loves Judo, but taking away leg attacks and over generous ippons (which indirectly discourage groundwork) have really taken away from the overall effectiveness of Judo for grappling as a whole.

[ElKarlo]

I dunno. Judoka also tend to be hard to sweep. They have a weird pressure

[deadlizard]

Rickson lost a sambo match. That's good enough for me.

[TriangleMan]

Why disrespect any martial art, especially Sambo?

[Einarr]

Originally Posted by Ice 9 Cobra

All the time. Just thought it was a silly art that didn't compare at all to jiujitsu and even just plain wrestling.

Then this week I rolled with my first Samboist actually from Russia, and I got armbarred during an extremely aggressive roll. I just feel like my whole world has been rocked...I don't know what's going to happen next, what if I end up respecting judo too?!?!

Yeah, you're an idiot. Don't most guys grow out of the "BJJ is teh bestest, all other MAs suck!" by the time they get a second stripe on their white belt?

Originally Posted by loyalyolayal

eastern european strength? interesting...

It's also known as "steroids". Literally 80% of Polish and Russian guys who are into combat sports are on juice.

[Sebg]

Rickson lost a "sambo match"?! The rules were that the first one to throw the other wins. That's hardly a "match" by anyone's definition.

[Uchi Mata]

Originally Posted by Sebg

Rickson lost a "sambo match"?! The rules were that the first one to throw the other wins. That's hardly a "match" by anyone's definition.

No, that's one way to win a Sambo match. There's really no ambiguity about it. He entered a Sambo comp, Ron Tripp threw him, he lost. I don't see how it's 'hardly a match'.

[Ice 9 Cobra]

While I am quite an idiot Einarr, in my experience training at a wide variety of other grappling style schools, BJJ is the most consistent in level of skill for the students.

[Jaxx]

Originally Posted by Ice 9 Cobra

While I am quite an idiot Einarr, in my experience training at a wide variety of other grappling style schools, BJJ is the most consistent in level of skill for the students.

Ah let me guess, you are posting from the USA which as a high level of BJJ? Outside of Brazil the USA is the very best place to train BJJ.

However most issues on this forum usually stem from the fact that Sambo and Judo are not widely available in the USA and as a result people type about their experiences that is due to the country they live in. I'm sure if you trained Sambo in Russia or any ex-USSR nation then you would be continued be 'enlightened' about the art.

Likewise training Judo in Japan, France, South Korea, Cuba and ex-USSR nations will do the same. I'm guessing you already know that Brazil is a growing Judo power and that Judo is more popular than BJJ there? Also that all 'old school' BJJ guys were Judo blackbelts?