Ronda Rousey World Class Boxing

[cuban23]

Originally Posted by consortium11

It behoves someone making such a point to have watched the bouts in question.

Take Ronda's most recent bout against Kaufman. She opens the bout by rushing across the cage flicking out an awful jab. As soon as she gets into something resembling range (and I note she still falls short with her punches) and tries to throw a right hand she squares up, leaves her chin in the air, drops her shoulders and actually gets cracked in the jaw at which point she simply bullies her way into the ciinch and works her clinch game. In the entire exchange she didn't land a single shot while Kaufman appears to land virtually 100% of hers.

Rousey's standup is entirely about getting her into the pocket where she can clinch the opponent. She rarely lands shots, when she does they have next to no power and she regularly gets hit. The reality is though that there are very few WMMArtists who have any real power in their fists and so even though she does get hit it doesn't make a whole difference as she can still get into the clinch where the variety of high-school level (at best) wrestlers she faces offer virtually nothing.

I usually leave it to consortium to give a proper explanation. I completely agree with what you said, and couldn't have said it better. Her striking is awful, and she knows enough to get into the pocket and grab on an bully her opponents. In the Tate fight her head was straight up in the air, her chin exposed and she was getting tagged with punches that had no power behind them because she is simply too big and too strong for that weight class.

There's no skill involved with Ronda. It's all size and Judo. Everything else she does is awful.

You mentioned the few women who have power. That's why she moved down to 135. Cause I can tell you if she took a right hand from Cris Cyborg she would be on the canvas.

Edit: Lmfao those jabs she throw at Kaufman were pathetic, I don't think a single of them landed.

[Joe Dwarf]

Originally Posted by cuban23

There's no skill involved with Ronda. It's all size and Judo. Everything else she does is awful.

Limited boxing skill. Plenty of grappling skill.

[consortium11]

WMMA is still at the stage where being good at one discipline, with perhaps some skills at another is basically enough to get you through. Meisha Tate was a highschool level wrestler with pretty awful striking and mediocre (at best) sub-grappling. Marloes Coenen is a somewhat solid technical kickboxer but lacks any real physical abilities, making up for it with an average sub-game. Cyborg isn't actually particularly good at anything but is a physical beast with real power... hence her success.

Ronda is so effective because she's a better grappler (and normally a better athlete) then everyone she faces. Because of the lack of power her opponents have it really doesn't matter that her standup is awful and she eats punches... she still gets in the clinch where she dominates or at worst, can regain her composure and start again. Once the bout hits the ground the same thing happens... she's just better than those she faces.

[315MMAFighter]

Originally Posted by Sinister

It looks a lot better than the silly ass machismo that went on in here initially.

Lol, so saw what you did their!

[flanellograf]

Originally Posted by cuban23

I usually leave it to consortium to give a proper explanation. I completely agree with what you said, and couldn't have said it better. Her striking is awful, and she knows enough to get into the pocket and grab on an bully her opponents. In the Tate fight her head was straight up in the air, her chin exposed and she was getting tagged with punches that had no power behind them because she is simply too big and too strong for that weight class.

There's no skill involved with Ronda. It's all size and Judo. Everything else she does is awful.

You mentioned the few women who have power. That's why she moved down to 135. Cause I can tell you if she took a right hand from Cris Cyborg she would be on the canvas.

Edit: Lmfao those jabs she throw at Kaufman were pathetic, I don't think a single of them landed.

She moved down to 135 because that was the quickest she could get a title fight. Then Cyborg got caught, which really puts all of Cyborgs accomplishments into question. Also, the talent pool is deeper at 135, so Ronda didn't really choose the best division to "run" too. Yes, Cyborg might clock her with one punch. She is also a brawler who fights into the clinch a lot, where she will get thrown and most likely submitted.
You never know, Cyborg might lose her next fight. She is fighting a girl who won with a dude in a vale tudo match, after all.

[LogicalInsanity]

Originally Posted by consortium11

Once the bout hits the ground the same thing happens... she's just better than those she faces.

Thank you Captain obvious...

"Fighter A won because he/she was the better fighter."

Rousey is great at Judo, so of course she is going to employ her strengths...

No one is saying her striking is on par with boxing but you guys focus on minutae in an attempt to diminish this fighter.

It's pathetic. Rousey is legit...and she will demonstrate this tomorrow.

[consortium11]

Originally Posted by LogicalInsanity

No one is saying her striking is on par with boxing but you guys focus on minutae in an attempt to diminish this fighter.

It's pathetic. Rousey is legit...and she will demonstrate this tomorrow.

If you could point out where I said she wasn't "legit" it would be much appreciated.

The simple fact is her striking is awful. Watching her bouts demonstrates that. We can sugar coat it by saying she's improved over the years or that she looks fairly decent for someone with a judo background or any other weasel words but all of them come down to the same basic facts... her striking is terrible. Any discussion that doesn't come down to that is being fundamentally dishonest.

Against Kaufman... no-one's idea of a great striker... she missed every single punch she threw, left her defence wide open and got cracked in the jaw. Meisha Tate... another awful striker... repeatedly landed shots on her while standing. The standard pattern for every Ronda bout is the same; get into clinching range by any means necessary, normally take a punch or two in doing so, takedown, perfunctory ground and pound, armbar.

She's been successful so far because of her grappling and physical talents but despite her striking. It is a major weakness... the sort of major weakness that in male MMA would mean someone struggles to get beyond the mid-card (at very best) of a major show. But because of the relative weakness of WMMA it's not a major concern.

Of course, that's not Ronda's fault in the same way that it wasn't Royce's fault that no-one he faced had the striking or takedown defence to exploit his own weaknesses. But that doesn't mean those weaknesses should be swept under the carpet and not pointed out or that we should all clap and applaud sub-standard striking in the same way that I wouldn't applaud a great striker for having sub-standard grappling however effective his striking has been.

[cuban23]

Originally Posted by LogicalInsanity

Thank you Captain obvious...

"Fighter A won because he/she was the better fighter."

Rousey is great at Judo, so of course she is going to employ her strengths...

No one is saying her striking is on par with boxing but you guys focus on minutae in an attempt to diminish this fighter.

It's pathetic. Rousey is legit...and she will demonstrate this tomorrow.

against a 13-1 underdog? I hope so...

[Seano]

I'm not a huge MMA fan but I actually think Rousey is a pretty entertaining fighter.

[Iwantmyshorts]

Watch it on display tonight lol