Jack3D linked to several death

[hardheart]

Originally Posted by Dogstarman

So when you are prescribed adderall you are supposed to refrain from exercise? I don't know but there are some really fucked up prescription drugs that are highly addictive that make me question the valid use of these drugs, but that is a different thread.

Also because you have 2 years in med school doesn't make you an authority yet.

If he has two years of med school and he thinks cocaine is an amphetamine he may want to seek a refund and find a new career methinks.

[Dogstarman]

Originally Posted by hardheart

If he has two years of med school and he thinks cocaine is an amphetamine he may want to seek a refund and find a new career methinks.

Maybe a better med school if they are telling him coke is an amphetamine?

[Fistfulofsoysau]

Originally Posted by hardheart

If he has two years of med school and he thinks cocaine is an amphetamine he may want to seek a refund and find a new career methinks.

I didn't take pharmacology yet and was speaking beyond my knowledge. You can speak to me directly, I don't bite. Don't be scared homie.

I said I was a second year med student. That means I am IN my second year of med school, it doesn't mean I have already completed two years. AFTER two years of med school you go to clinical rotations.

Also, I stated that I was wrong in my previous post so please move along and further the discussion...if you can.

[hardheart]

Originally Posted by Fistfulofsoysau

I didn't take pharmacology yet and was speaking beyond my knowledge. You can speak to me directly, I don't bite. Don't be scared homie.

I said I was a second year med student. That means I am IN my second year of med school, it doesn't mean I have already completed two years. AFTER two years of med school you go to clinical rotations.

Also, I stated that I was wrong in my previous post so please move along and further the discussion...if you can.

Your post was stupid and you should feel bad.

[Fistfulofsoysau]

Originally Posted by hardheart

Your post was stupid and you should feel bad.

The level of intellect in this post is amazing! (sarcasm)

[Fistfulofsoysau]

Originally Posted by Dogstarman

So when you are prescribed adderall you are supposed to refrain from exercise? I don't know but there are some really fucked up prescription drugs that are highly addictive that make me question the valid use of these drugs, but that is a different thread.

Also because you have 2 years in med school doesn't make you an authority yet.

I didn't say that I was an authority and I'm starting to question the IQ level in sherdog. Both of these substances are indicated for different uses and one is regulated under the FDA while the other is not. If you read the article, they are wanting to classify DMAA as a drug so it CAN be regulated under the FDA. It is not a hard concept to understand.

[anaconda]

Originally Posted by Fistfulofsoysau

I didn't say that I was an authority and I'm starting to question the IQ level in sherdog. Both of these substances are indicated for different uses and one is regulated under the FDA while the other is not. If you read the article, they are wanting to classify DMAA as a drug so it CAN be regulated under the FDA. It is not a hard concept to understand.

The problem is that the FDA is a farce. I get your point about regulation, but the problem is that they don't want to regulate it. I mean look at ephedrine. It is now "regulated" and what has changed is that the drug companies are making money off of it instead of the supplement industry.

I do see where you are coming from; I just disagree. I don;t think DMAA is so dangerous that it has to be regulated. Plenty of unregulated substances can kill you. Should everything be regulated to protect people from their own stupidity?

[Fistfulofsoysau]

Originally Posted by anaconda

The problem is that the FDA is a farce. I get your point about regulation, but the problem is that they don't want to regulate it. I mean look at ephedrine. It is now "regulated" and what has changed is that the drug companies are making money off of it instead of the supplement industry.

I do see where you are coming from; I just disagree. I don;t think DMAA is so dangerous that it has to be regulated. Plenty of unregulated substances can kill you. Should everything be regulated to protect people from their own stupidity?

You are absolutely right. Honestly, it probably isn't bad enough to warrant FDA regulation but the thing is that the correlation of the deaths to use of Jak3d which contains DMAA raised some questions. Correlation does not in any way mean causation but I haven't read any stories about adderall and sudden death of a person during/after strenuous exercise. There may be cases that do indicate the danger of adderall while under heavy cardiac load but I am 100% positive that adderall is not indicated as a pre-workout supplement like Jak3d. I am sure if there had been cases of sudden death with an elevated level of Adderall in the blood, there would be tighter regulations on adderall too. In the medical profession, the first thing doctors are taught is CYA - "Cover Your Ass". We understand the nature of the drugs we prescribe but like you said, we cannot protect a person from himself. There are guidelines to correct dosages of Adderall but it is up to the patient to follow them.

[Dogstarman]

Originally Posted by Fistfulofsoysau

I didn't say that I was an authority and I'm starting to question the IQ level in sherdog. Both of these substances are indicated for different uses and one is regulated under the FDA while the other is not. If you read the article, they are wanting to classify DMAA as a drug so it CAN be regulated under the FDA. It is not a hard concept to understand.

You stated that you were a 2nd year medical student. That was supposed to be an appeal to authority or show some type of authority, which you are not, at least not yet. I am not stating anything that you referred to earlier. Also, attacking the IQ level of sherdog is an ad hominem attack and thus another fallacy. Just because you are in medical school does not make you more intelligent than anyone else on here.

Maybe you will get into pharmacology and become an expert, maybe not. I was trying to point out that having FDA regulation on something does not necessarily make it safe. Look at these highly addictive pain killers, oxycontin and oxycodone are the ones that come to mind immediately. I am not someone who thinks big pharma is necessarily bad but some of the shit they pull to try and stop people from supplementing is ridiculous.

[Fistfulofsoysau]

Originally Posted by Dogstarman

You stated that you were a 2nd year medical student. That was supposed to be an appeal to authority or show some type of authority, which you are not, at least not yet. I am not stating anything that you referred to earlier. Also, attacking the IQ level of sherdog is an ad hominem attack and thus another fallacy. Just because you are in medical school does not make you more intelligent than anyone else on here.

Maybe you will get into pharmacology and become an expert, maybe not. I was trying to point out that having FDA regulation on something does not necessarily make it safe. Look at these highly addictive pain killers, oxycontin and oxycodone are the ones that come to mind immediately. I am not someone who thinks big pharma is necessarily bad but some of the shit they pull to try and stop people from supplementing is ridiculous.

Wow, you sure are implying a lot of things. I merely stated I was a 2nd year med student as to say that my claims were not completely erroneous. I don't know where the hell you pulled out the authority figure from. Of course I am not saying I am more intelligent than 100% of the people here but there is evidence that says people who are in higher levels of education are smarter than a very large percentage of the population. I am not too familiar with the posters on this forum in particular but I do know that I have seen quite a bit of idiocy on the sherdog forums in general. I apologize if I offended you, it wasn't an attack on you specifically but I was frustrated at the fact that I had to state my point several times.

I agree that there is some shady shit involved with Big pharma, their lobbyists, and the politicians and doctors who are swayed by them. However, you cannot deny the fact that Jak3d was correlated with the sudden deaths of multiple individuals. I see this whole headline as more of a cover your ass than anything. The FDA is very lax in their regulations in general and I think that this whole scandal has more to do with preventing lawsuits than actually helping people. Whether you, I, or the bodybuilding community like it or not Jak3d was implicated in these peoples deaths and they just want to assign blame on whatever they can.