Judo for takedown defense??

sourdiesel209 · 02-17-2013, 12:28 PM

Im currently boxing and doing some bjj, so that covers standup and ground fighting but Im unable to find a wrestling class near where I live, so would judo be enough for takedown defense??

I mean, apart from the throws, do they teach pins and scrambles?? can I translate some of it to no gi?? ive seen most judokas in the ufc have good takedown defense and balance...

And the newaza, is it like bjj rolling or more judoey..

**SuperSuperRambo** · 02-17-2013, 12:38 PM

Yes, Judo does teach pins. In my experience, when they focus on scrambles, it's really more of catching a sub or pin after a failed takedown. Judo doesn't really have continued scrambling like wrestling.

If you ask me, wrestling is much better for takedown defense, meaning if you want to stay upright and the opponent wants to take you down. Judo is good for takedown counter-offense, meaning he tries to take you down and you counter with a reversal or throw. In wrestling, you work a lot more on straight shutting down a takedown and scrambling for top position. Also in Judo, if you fail on a throw, there's more of a "bailout" focus (i.e. don't get countered, just go down and get restarted on the feet), whereas in wrestling it's a continuous fight for top position, and the winner of that fight gets two points.

The newaza will be more limited, and focused on a smaller group of things. The level of instruction that you will get on the ground varies tremendously from place to place. Of all the ground grappling styles, Judo will be the most similar to BJJ because they share a common root and both use the gi, but it will still have a different focus and feel.

A lot, but not all of your Judo will be useful in no gi. Of the stuff you can use no gi, a lot of it will have to be modified, but can still be effective.

Hope this helps.

PeterPain · 02-17-2013, 01:02 PM

After many years of Judo I've notice you get a good sence of balance out of it.
I don't remember when was the last time I fell on the ice (live in Canada) and in a clinch I will be a pushover.

That said, Judo (Kodokan) is mostly based around getting your 10 points Ippon.
So it has a scrable part but much less compared to wrestling.

td82394 · 02-17-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sourdiesel209

Im currently boxing and doing some bjj, so that covers standup and ground fighting but Im unable to find a wrestling class near where I live, so would judo be enough for takedown defense??

I mean, apart from the throws, do they teach pins and scrambles?? can I translate some of it to no gi?? ive seen most judokas in the ufc have good takedown defense and balance...

And the newaza, is it like bjj rolling or more judoey..

Yeah, that's probably going to be a lot more common after 2016... sorry, but that just grinds my gears.

Anyhow, look, if you're training to be a fighter, which seems to be what you're doing from what I can infer from this post, you'd be a lot better off just doing straight up MMA, in my opinion. I understand that it may be cheaper to run around and go to this place and that place, but more important than anything else is to train in the rule set that you're going to compete in and spar with other people who are skilled in that rule set, and to have a centralized training experience with coaches who can track your progress, because your boxing coach doesn't know how good you are at BJJ and your BJJ professor doesn't know how good you are at boxing.

But even if you're hell bent on doing it this way, then I suppose Judo would suit your needs, but if you'd rather do wrestling and you're just settling on Judo, go down to the local high school and train with the wrestlers. I'm sure they'll let you train with them, especially since most of their guys' seasons are done by now and they need partners. We get people from all over in our room. We used to have this one guy named Steve show us moves. We had another guy named Chaz Skelly who was an MMA fighter show us stuff.

Dirty Holt · 02-17-2013, 01:36 PM

Not joking, but I think you would probably get better leg attack takedown defense from gymnastics than judo.

Franklegit · 02-17-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Holt

Not joking, but I think you would probably get better leg attack takedown defense from gymnastics than judo.

This.

Good luck finding a competitive Judo club that teaches you how to sprawl and defend against double/single leg takedowns.

sourdiesel209 · 02-17-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by td82394

Yeah, that's probably going to be a lot more common after 2016... sorry, but that just grinds my gears.

Anyhow, look, if you're training to be a fighter, which seems to be what you're doing from what I can infer from this post, you'd be a lot better off just doing straight up MMA, in my opinion. I understand that it may be cheaper to run around and go to this place and that place, but more important than anything else is to train in the rule set that you're going to compete in and spar with other people who are skilled in that rule set, and to have a centralized training experience with coaches who can track your progress, because your boxing coach doesn't know how good you are at BJJ and your BJJ professor doesn't know how good you are at boxing.

But even if you're hell bent on doing it this way, then I suppose Judo would suit your needs, but if you'd rather do wrestling and you're just settling on Judo, go down to the local high school and train with the wrestlers. I'm sure they'll let you train with them, especially since most of their guys' seasons are done by now and they need partners. We get people from all over in our room. We used to have this one guy named Steve show us moves. We had another guy named Chaz Skelly who was an MMA fighter show us stuff.

hehe wish I could do that, but I live in south america where theres no wrestling culture whatsoever... so judo is pretty much all I got, or join a mma class like you mentioned... but theyre probably gonna teach me really watered down wrestling (pretty much only takedowns)

still im just a whitebelt in bjj so I wanted to at least get to blue before going for mma ... and keep improving my striking (will soon switch to muay thai) at the same time.. maybe I'll even compete in both to be well rounded..

and I guess ill at least have takedown defense against other judokas

Pathogenic · 02-17-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Holt

Not joking, but I think you would probably get better leg attack takedown defense from gymnastics than judo.

Lol. Sadly, this.

Judo is being ruined.

sourdiesel209 · 02-17-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pathogenic

Lol. Sadly, this.

Judo is being ruined.

whats happening to judo?

td82394 · 02-17-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sourdiesel209

hehe wish I could do that, but I live in south america where theres no wrestling culture whatsoever... so judo is pretty much all I got, or join a mma class like you mentioned... but theyre probably gonna teach me really watered down wrestling (pretty much only takedowns)

still im just a whitebelt in bjj so I wanted to at least get to blue before going for mma ... and keep improving my striking (will soon switch to muay thai) at the same time.. maybe I'll even compete in both to be well rounded..

and I guess ill at least have takedown defense against other judokas

Oh, my bad lol. Well, honestly, with the resources you have, you're doing alright. Honestly, you can join a Judo class, or you can just get a partner and drill takedowns before class. It's up to you. If you need more structure, then take the Judo class, but you seem like a pretty driven individual, so if you get a partner and drill hard, that's just as good. You don't have to switch to Muay Thai to get good striking, though. Honestly, a passing knowldge of defending kicks will serve you just as well in MMA if you're a better boxer than everyone else just because the level of striking is so low, comparitively.