Jack3D linked to several death

[emcee]

Jack3d is not deadly. Stimulants are not deadly. Most of these people who die die because of some preexisting health factors aggravated by the supplement. The supplement itself doesn't kill people. The extraneous health factors involved in the deaths of these people need to be taken into account prior to anything else. Keep your jack3d, fellas. Unless you've got heart murmurs or something.

[hardheart]

Originally Posted by James Fuller

I mean the 1st guy to run a marathon DIED and yet we run thousands of them a year in his honor. I pursue a sport thats bad for my health too but at least I own it. The training and running of these events is a risk factor in and of itself.

Before you try to quote history, please learn history. Otherwise, you just make yourself look like a half-wit goon trying to sound smart.

[dropshot001]

she was running a marathon and testing the limits of her body. it's so easy to blame supplements for things like this without knowing the entire story.

not to mention the story will get more publicity because she was a relatively attractive woman

[BubbaDaThug]

Can't base a general consensus off of what happened to a couple of people. Way too small of a sample size to draw anything conclusive for the general population. As stated before, you don't know the training and diet history, not to mention possible pre-existing medical conditions, or even if they were using the proper dosage. Could Jack3d (or any other pre workout) be dangerous? Possibly, but unlikely if you exercise proper caution. All the anecdotal evidence I've ever seen personally ranges from useless (yet harmless) to pretty helpful. Until someone can put together a properly-designed study that conclusively proves that Jack3d is dangerous, I personally will continue to take it and adhere strictly to the dosing instructions on the label and err on the side of caution if I'm not reasonably certain about anything. So far, all we know is that these people who died just happened to have taken Jack3d. Correlation does not always equal causation.

[steroid-doc]

Originally Posted by anaconda

I like how all of the descriptions start out with saying DMAA has an amphetamine-like effect, which is why its so dangerous - meanwhile, 20 million prescriptions of adderall (amphetamine!!!) per year is ok?

Villainizing stimulants like ephedrine and DMAA due to a couple of deaths, when they hand out adderall like candy, is absolutely ridiculous.

agree , they dont accept that she had just ran a marathon and that had anyting to do with it (people die every year) the UK FSA/GOV seems to wat to demonise DMAA as much as possible , no idea why and there links to ban it are tenuous at best.

[dza76wutang]

I know yohimbine-HCL makes me feel like utter shit so I steer clear of anything with yohimbe or yohimbine-HCL so I have never tried Jack3D, I prefer coffee anyway.

[Thunderflash500]

Originally Posted by hardheart

Joe Rogan is awesome. However, I don't believe everything he says.



I have no doubt Joe lives healthy. If you dig on this forum you'll find a thread about how he totally schilled for a nootropic supplement and was banning anyone that questioned it, him, or the company. Because of that, I take what he says as it relates to facts, with a grain of salt, regardless if its introspective or not.

It sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. Will have to take your posts with a grain of salt.

[KingJDS]

Originally Posted by silent_samurai

I've taken Jack3d, nothing happened, no pump, up'd the dosage and all I got was an itchy face, which I'm guessing is the beta Alanine?
Tried SuperDump250, nothing.
Muscletech Nitrix oxide stuff, nothing.
Even after increasing the dosages I felt little to no extra pump, or focus.
IMO pre workouts are a waste of money, and most are a placebo effect.

def not a placebo effect bro lol, idk how serious you are with lifting but maybe your not drinking enough water throughout the day/workout? ive tried superpump and various NO products and they all hit me pretty hard with pumps and itchy face/arms

[dza76wutang]

Back in my day we had ECA stack pre-work drinks, god damn they tasted like shit but damn they worked.

Agent Orange or Super Orange or some shit was the first one I ever saw, then ABB came out with a line of them.

[silent_samurai]

Originally Posted by KingJDS

def not a placebo effect bro lol, idk how serious you are with lifting but maybe your not drinking enough water throughout the day/workout? ive tried superpump and various NO products and they all hit me pretty hard with pumps and itchy face/arms

Pretty serious brah! I takes teh Brotein shakes and all snorts.

But in all seriousness, if i'm being honest, years ago when I was a lot smaller superpump250 did do something, but now i'm older wiser and much bigger I've put it down to placebo, simply because I expected something to happen/heard all these great reviews etc.

Truth is, a strong coffee will probably give you the same mental edge, unless like me you drink coffee every waking minute.

I dont know man, maybe I'm just too damn hench for that stuff ;)